Looking for Guides - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

momo fish · 01-29-2015, 11:12 AM

Well said Jim...

Maybe if we should change the word guide to coach or teacher... There is a difference for me between using a guide to catch fish verses to learn how to catch fish... There are many reasons why folks use them and all are personal preferences and none should be discounted because of ones own choices. We are all not fortunate enough to have a "group" to share info/intel.

When I finally get frustrated enough or finish paying of the mortgage/tuition etc I will probably call a guide. Hopefully I can figure things out on my own using the forums,books etc. I also started fishing without a circle of friends who fished and had to learn a lot of things the hard way.. It was a great feeling once I did start landing fish but also grew frustrated each time I lost a possible trophy.

What's that old saying.. "Teach a man to fish..." That's what guides to me are doing.. Some will learn and be able to apply that knowledge others will probably die of starvation. 😊

Anyhow always love this discussion and to each their own as this will never be agreed nor does it need to be.

Mobyfish · 01-29-2015, 11:17 AM

Momo,

You nailed it. I used to be a snowboarding in structor. I watched a ton of people struggle on their own and absolutely kill themselves. They could barely walk the next day.

Those that took lessons with us had way more fun, got way less hurt, and were up and riding much more quickly.

The value in a teacher or coach (insert guide), is that is shortens the learning curve. Always good to figure things out on your own, but there's certainly no shame in learning from a pro. Learn the right way, from the start, and improve from there.

-Mobyfish

booger · 01-29-2015, 12:41 PM

Do the professional guides here trade services?

chris138 · 01-29-2015, 01:24 PM

Wow great thread lol so fun to sit down after lunch and soak all that in.

It is kind of silly to say that you will never learn what a guide knows on your own. The good guys fish every day, and they stay out all day. They keep moving, keep fishing, keep trying to extract every bit of detail or every possible clue. Guides also do what all other good fisherman do: LURK.

Hey is that guy snagged on a rock? LURK
Hey did that sea lion just puke up a squid? LURK
Hey I think I smell a seabass fart... LURK
Hey where did you catch that yellow, and with what bait and in what depth and on what size line LURK LURK LURK
Hey Josh forgot to cut off his top-secret disco mackerel jig before heading in!! you damn sure better LURK
Is that TROMPUS? LLLLUUURRRRRKKKKK

When I first started I lurked so hard I nearly broke my neck. The need for a guide is inversely proportional to your LURKER status

lamb · 01-29-2015, 01:46 PM

5 pages of lively debate, and I still haven't read the ultimate theses on whether it's really "better" to do it with, or without a guide.

But I think that's cool - maybe everyone should make a decision for themselves?
And all of us should, regardless of what our preferred learning path was, stop trying to influence other folks - and respect their decision?

I think it's the time we close this thread - nuff' said.

We're fortunate to have pretty good number of quality local kayak fishing guides, and a wonderful local kayak fishery.

This is plenty enough of a pitch for the guides.
They don't pay the BWE bills.

Fortunately, just like other hundreds of thousands of threads, this one will also be available for all future generations to search and find the information, hear local fishing guides names, and figure out how harmonious of a view our lil' community has on this particular subject.

Deamon · 01-29-2015, 02:08 PM

Okay, okay I'm going to give it up right here, right now free of charge. When I'm in La Jolla, I follow around this fish killing white boat with two hulls. They even hand out free donuts and beer! Thread killer Adi!

jorluivil · 01-29-2015, 02:30 PM

Up yours, Jim

booger · 01-29-2015, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bert Vega

With a avatar like that. What you want to trade? Booty??

Bert, what is wrong with my avatar?
I get what you a trying to do here and I don't think it is very funny OR nice.
SEAL HATER

Bert Vega · 01-29-2015, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger

Bert, what is wrong with my avatar?
I get what you a trying to do here and I don't think it is very funny OR nice.
SEAL HATER

Your 100% right I am sorry. Please accept my apology.

and I REALLY DO HATE SEALS!

GregAndrew · 01-29-2015, 05:57 PM

The most entertaining part of this thread are the interpretations of some guys about what other guys just typed. But that is true about almost every forum. Some of the arguments on both sides are just about as funny too. Assuming that everyone has time to put in 20 trips to catch their first target species is about as dumb as believing that everyone in favor of the school of hard knocks fell into a code group putting them on bites. It is amazing how ingrained hyperbole (look it up) has become in our daily arguments. I will say that it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to start off regularly catching "trophy" fish without some excellent mentoring. And it is also unlikely that anyone that cuts down the "learning curve" will ever fathom what they missed.

jorluivil · 01-29-2015, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregAndrew

The most entertaining part of this thread are the interpretations of some guys about what other guys just typed. But that is true about almost every forum. Some of the arguments on both sides are just about as funny too. Assuming that everyone has time to put in 20 trips to catch their first target species is about as dumb as believing that everyone in favor of the school of hard knocks fell into a code group putting them on bites. It is amazing how ingrained hyperbole (look it up) has become in our daily arguments. I will say that it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to start off regularly catching "trophy" fish without some excellent mentoring. And it is also unlikely that anyone that cuts down the "learning curve" will ever fathom what they missed.

01-29-2015, 01:46 PM	#5
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	5 pages of lively debate, and I still haven't read the ultimate theses on whether it's really "better" to do it with, or without a guide. But I think that's cool - maybe everyone should make a decision for themselves? And all of us should, regardless of what our preferred learning path was, stop trying to influence other folks - and respect their decision? I think it's the time we close this thread - nuff' said. We're fortunate to have pretty good number of quality local kayak fishing guides, and a wonderful local kayak fishery. This is plenty enough of a pitch for the guides. They don't pay the BWE bills. Fortunately, just like other hundreds of thousands of threads, this one will also be available for all future generations to search and find the information, hear local fishing guides names, and figure out how harmonious of a view our lil' community has on this particular subject. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

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jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	Up yours, Jim __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

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01-29-2015, 11:12 AM	#1
momo fish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Camarillo Posts: 1,491	Well said Jim... Maybe if we should change the word guide to coach or teacher... There is a difference for me between using a guide to catch fish verses to learn how to catch fish... There are many reasons why folks use them and all are personal preferences and none should be discounted because of ones own choices. We are all not fortunate enough to have a "group" to share info/intel. When I finally get frustrated enough or finish paying of the mortgage/tuition etc I will probably call a guide. Hopefully I can figure things out on my own using the forums,books etc. I also started fishing without a circle of friends who fished and had to learn a lot of things the hard way.. It was a great feeling once I did start landing fish but also grew frustrated each time I lost a possible trophy. What's that old saying.. "Teach a man to fish..." That's what guides to me are doing.. Some will learn and be able to apply that knowledge others will probably die of starvation. 😊 Anyhow always love this discussion and to each their own as this will never be agreed nor does it need to be.

01-29-2015, 11:17 AM	#2
Mobyfish Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 31	Momo, You nailed it. I used to be a snowboarding in structor. I watched a ton of people struggle on their own and absolutely kill themselves. They could barely walk the next day. Those that took lessons with us had way more fun, got way less hurt, and were up and riding much more quickly. The value in a teacher or coach (insert guide), is that is shortens the learning curve. Always good to figure things out on your own, but there's certainly no shame in learning from a pro. Learn the right way, from the start, and improve from there. -Mobyfish

01-29-2015, 12:41 PM	#3
booger Junior Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 11	Do the professional guides here trade services?

01-29-2015, 01:24 PM	#4
chris138 donkey roper Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 968	Wow great thread lol so fun to sit down after lunch and soak all that in. It is kind of silly to say that you will never learn what a guide knows on your own. The good guys fish every day, and they stay out all day. They keep moving, keep fishing, keep trying to extract every bit of detail or every possible clue. Guides also do what all other good fisherman do: LURK. Hey is that guy snagged on a rock? LURK Hey did that sea lion just puke up a squid? LURK Hey I think I smell a seabass fart... LURK Hey where did you catch that yellow, and with what bait and in what depth and on what size line LURK LURK LURK Hey Josh forgot to cut off his top-secret disco mackerel jig before heading in!! you damn sure better LURK Is that TROMPUS? LLLLUUURRRRRKKKKK When I first started I lurked so hard I nearly broke my neck. The need for a guide is inversely proportional to your LURKER status

01-29-2015, 02:08 PM	#6
Deamon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,972	Okay, okay I'm going to give it up right here, right now free of charge. When I'm in La Jolla, I follow around this fish killing white boat with two hulls. They even hand out free donuts and beer! Thread killer Adi!

01-29-2015, 05:57 PM	#10
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	The most entertaining part of this thread are the interpretations of some guys about what other guys just typed. But that is true about almost every forum. Some of the arguments on both sides are just about as funny too. Assuming that everyone has time to put in 20 trips to catch their first target species is about as dumb as believing that everyone in favor of the school of hard knocks fell into a code group putting them on bites. It is amazing how ingrained hyperbole (look it up) has become in our daily arguments. I will say that it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to start off regularly catching "trophy" fish without some excellent mentoring. And it is also unlikely that anyone that cuts down the "learning curve" will ever fathom what they missed.