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10-24-2013, 12:49 PM | #1 | |
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10-29-2013, 10:22 AM | #2 | |
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10-24-2013, 07:52 AM | #3 |
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10-23-2013, 07:04 PM | #4 |
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10-23-2013, 07:20 PM | #5 |
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I agree rhyak, the forum scene is pretty tough here. It almost seems as if the kayak fishing forums all peaked a couple of years ago. I also believe the hardcore kayak angler is a solitary creature, as a result not very chatty on the boards.
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10-23-2013, 07:07 PM | #6 |
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Dare I say a fishing community can exist without a forum? I believe the forum has served its purpose as a source for information and an avenue to get together for larger group events. My belief is no forum can replace a day out on the water alone or with your fishing buddies and that many have become so reliant on online communities that they can't function in social situations anymore. I applaud your intentions but speaking fort myself i've dedicated as much effort as I allowably can, any more is a distraction from the actual sport of kayak fishing.
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10-23-2013, 09:17 PM | #7 | |
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What is it you expect to gain personally with regard to whether or not this forum is blowing up? It's been said here over and over that "honey hole" locations and or hot spot numbers will not be given while they're hot. All you'll really ever get out of a "fish report" is another photo of another yellowtail, halibut, WSB...etc etc. If that's what excites you I'd suggest the following: www.google.com then type in yellowtail / halibut / WSB and click images. If it's information related to your kayak and how to make it better you're after then their is a shit-ton of that info already here and if it's not already here then their are a shit-ton of people here that love to be helpful. (just don't ask them where to catch fish...haha) |
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10-23-2013, 09:45 PM | #8 | |
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just fyi: ryan is a legend he is one of those guys that drinks DOS Xs beer one time his kayak sank and he split the waters so he can walk on dry land to little harbor or something like that and I think he runs central kayak fishing forum just fyi
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10-23-2013, 09:49 PM | #9 | |
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10-24-2013, 09:04 AM | #10 |
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Is this a fish report?
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10-28-2013, 04:38 PM | #11 |
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X3 What wiredantz and PAL said.
Sometimes it feels like we're the only ones posting a timely report (within 1-3 days) anymore even when we don't score. The degree to which we post has gone down due to personal factors that have seen us go only 4 times in the last year and a half and that was within these last 3 months. 3 out of 4 trips were reported we believe. We agree with wiredantz and PAL on the main issues they pointed out, especially the code groups. Think about it, there are some top notch guides who do get people on fish. If reports were posted right away by the guides or customers, when they scored all of those yellows and whites it could only hurt their business for the next few days, as every PBer and kayaker would hit the water and take over the area. The customers still post, but from what we've seen typically it's well after a bite, weeks and months at times. Sure, they'll give kudos to their guide, but it sure doesn't help another kayaker out. We go when we can go, and we almost always post a detailed report ASAP, without leaving anything out. Sure, it would be great to know that a bite's going on, just don't count on finding one a SoCal kayak fishing website. We could give a flying Wallenda why others have their reasons for not posting timely reports. But if you see one from us, you might give the lengthy report a glance that it might help you soon after
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10-28-2013, 05:58 PM | #12 | |
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10-29-2013, 10:11 AM | #13 | |
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What get's me about the whole report thing is the double standards and how some have used this issue to attack others they simply do not like for one reason or another, and in the process kind of ruined it for everyone. Some can post anything they want and another says something like "Seabass are in the kelp in the spring before they spawn... go get them!" and same people act like it's the end of the world. Bashing people for sharing info become a way to put down newbies or enforce the somewhat highschoolish clique mentality. Newbies come in get excited about the new sport and want to post and share and then they get shot down. The people behind this stuff are pretty obvious, and their posts clearly show their motivations. 5, 10, 15 posts 20 posts in five or six years all either attacking those who do share info or telling others that they should never post any info online. The question is if they are so against helping others why are they even here in the first place. Some of these guys are long time members of the kayak community. I'd say it's about them flexing their muscles as the self proclaimed "Pioneers of Kayaking" while at the same time trying to block or deny access to anyone who brings new talent or even worse God forbid new ideas to the game. For instance I remember the first time someone suggested that a thru hull transducer or one in the water might give better results then gluing one in your hull and a long time poster instantly came back and said: "All you need to kayak fish is a rod a rope and a gaff and the rest of this tech stuff is just total B.S. " Years later in the age of Gopros and high tech Hummingbird finders that seems ridiculously comical but it was obviously about protecting what that poster saw as his status quot. I think in the kayak community there are several factors that have come up that have kind of killed the report posting. Some are legitimate others are simply petty, but they have had significant impact, The truth is there are reports that if posted will lead to overcrowding and overfishing and there are reports that don't lead to overcrowding and over fishing, and the good long time posters (blackcloud9 comes to mind) know the difference, and still post some great reports. Unfortunately at the same time you have a segment of the community that wants to pretend that sharing any info or posting any report is bad. They don't share info. They do not want anyone else sharing info either. The shame is rather then educating posters about what they can and should post these long time members of the community just want to shut everyone down for their own selfish reasons. That mentality has spread and as a result they've tainted the well for everyone. Last edited by Fiskadoro; 10-29-2013 at 10:35 AM. |
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10-24-2013, 09:11 AM | #14 | ||
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Guys so everyone is clear, I am not bashing anyone and not trying to gain a thing what could I possibly gain by this, why does everyone worry about what others will gain from something else. I feel like I am pretty selfless when it comes to this sport, and why I asked the question to start with. Trying to get positive feedback but not finding much. Hope I get a chance to meet all of you some day on the water. We can share stories and a good time. Ryan
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10-24-2013, 09:23 AM | #15 |
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When I see even Chuck D chippin’ in on the subject, I can’t ignore it any more…
With the exception of some of you guys going at each other, lots of good stuff has been said. Be rest assured, all lot of us have been having this conversation. It has been puzzling me for a long time… And I am still trying to figure it out. There is something to be said about the fact it all pretty much started here in SoCal. I hope it’s not the sign of things to come for other parts of the country. There is something to be said about general SoCal attitude – my spot, my paddy, my bite, my wave… Especially the general hostile attitude towards each other of SoCal fisherman… Ugh... “F’k you” screamed out from the top of your lungs is the most common communication exchange you can hear on the water between the two fishing boats… ...after ignoring each other, that’s probably the most common one. In March this year, we went down to Florida, KFS was sponsoring Jacksonville Kayak Fishing Classic. It was pouring for days, we’re talking some serious rain… Windows were 25 knots… 400+ people showed up for the tournament. I could not believe my eyes. Buncha’ awesome folks, great kayak fishing community they’ve got down in Jax. In August, we went up to NorCal for Albion Open. It was the coolest event with the nicest people I’ve ever been to. Everyone having a blast, the whole camp site pretty much exclusively occupied by kayak fishermen attending the event and their families, good times 24 x 7 for 3 days… Needless to say – I can wait to go back to both events next year. It is very true that the internet is evolving, and so is everything that’s riding on it. No one has control over that. Look at the forums 10+ years ago, waaay before FB. The Web provided new platform for folks that share any common interest, People jumped on board to socialize and exchange info, help each other out, and help become better in whatever they were into. What a great concept... Bragging has always been a big part of fishing. Lots of folks just couldn't resist to utilize this wonderful platform to let the world know about their awesome catch, get some recognition and establish the name for themselves. Oh, the web 1.0 generation… But you can only brag so much… and very few people get into the sport exclusively for bragging. It’s the personal joy and satisfaction that turns each one of us into anything we do… Personal and internet are kind of ambiguous terms these days, aren't they? Generational turnover is another phenomena. Folks come and go. Especially with kayak fishing – the turnover is pretty high. Say what you will but it is pretty demanding sport, and only a small percentage of even fisherman will dig and be cool with all the extra effort and obstacles that are required if you were going to do it on a piece of plastics. Do not overlook that part. Many kayakers that either started fishing on the power boat, or got one after experiencing kayak fishing, will tell you that. I am talking about that chill in your bones you get when NW wind is 10+ in December and your arms are wet from a friggen water that keeps dripping down your paddle… or that water that made it down inside of your splash jacket when you picked up that wave in your face during the launch 4 AM, and made the shirt on your belly all wet. Then there are personal situations, life events that all of us get hit up with without warning, that simply put any “extra-curriculum” activities such as fishing or visiting fishing forum on hold. Health problems, family problems, job troubles.... I’ve personally had a number of those over the years that would make me skip out of even checking BWE for weeks!!!… and I even “work” here! And sure, there’s lame arse attitude that some people bring to public forums. All of us admins and mods have been continually struggling with that for years. While we’re trying NOT to moderate too heavily (as most of you know there are times where you feel every 2nd response on a given thread should be nuked )… Luckilly, at least in BWE case that is still alive after all these years, there is enough cool folks that the general vibe that prevails is still a positive one. And all of us that struggle to find the time to run this thing find enough justification to help keep it going. I agree 100% with what Paul said. The saddest thing we have right now is the collapse of the SoCal kayak fishing tournament scene. I’ve had enough conversations with people that are into the sport and in the industry, that are equally bummed about this fact, that I’m really hopeful that we will all come together and change that around in 2014. Stay tuned!
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10-24-2013, 09:33 AM | #16 |
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10-24-2013, 09:41 AM | #17 |
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I can't agree with Lamb more! the only thing i'd like to add is there are very few of those My My My people here but the problem is they are the loudest. Quick to jump on newbs with those put your time on the water and figure it out remarks... Huge turn off in terms of wanting to participate more.
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10-23-2013, 09:59 PM | #18 |
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I see what you're saying, but I think a big thing is there are a lot of lazy and newbie guys that wait to see reports and basically mooch off of the guys spending time on the water. If they don't see report, they don't take our fish. I'm new to the forum so I don't really know for sure, but that's my take.
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10-23-2013, 10:09 PM | #19 |
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I think it is sad that you got mostly negative replies.
I think you want more camaraderie but some people will just not open their hearts for that for some reason. Many just want to stay to themselves. I am happy that Makobob has organized some Mexican trips and I will be going with a small group of guys to Bahia Asuncion. I have a feeling that it will be a great trip with great people. Don't be negative it is only fishing. Last edited by buddha; 10-23-2013 at 11:20 PM. |
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