Mission Bay Sea Lion Report 2/23 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Baja_Traveler · 02-25-2013, 09:30 AM

wrist rocket and a handfull of marbles...

addicted2sp33d · 02-25-2013, 10:18 AM

I remember reading somewhere that it's OK to tag them with a paintball marker or a slingshot.

If you use the slingshot, marbles and other "hard" things are a big no-no.

02-25-2013, 10:28 AM

http://www.nwfsc.noaa.gov/publicatio...m28/harass.htm

stole this from another thread on here read this it has some good infor but ultimately they are there to stay...

Saba Slayer · 02-25-2013, 11:16 AM

My local Sea Lions don't like my WristRocket and jar of paintballs...I believe marbles and bearings are illegal as they can harm the sweet little brown eyed BASTARDS...Kiyo gave me some extra hard paint balls that work really good.
A shot to the back of the head or neck works wonders. The look of surprise on their face is worth dragging the slingshot around.
Jim / Saba Slayer

mtnbykr2 · 02-25-2013, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

My local Sea Lions don't like my WristRocket and jar of paintballs...I believe marbles and bearings are illegal as they can harm the sweet little brown eyed BASTARDS...Kiyo gave me some extra hard paint balls that work really good.
A shot to the back of the head or neck works wonders. The look of surprise on their face is worth dragging the slingshot around.
Jim / Saba Slayer

Now that's funny right there...great description...

kinda like that...lol

Dail14 · 02-25-2013, 09:29 PM

Once on an overnight boat out of h&m, the deck hand tied a surface iron on and nailed a sea lion that was going for baracuda on the line. He quickly dissapeared.

lamb · 02-25-2013, 10:42 PM

Good stuff.

That does sound freaky, glad you got back to your pots and even scored!

I agree, the seals seem more aggressive lately.

These guys from LJ like to eat yellowtail. Not that they had a problem stealing fish before. These guys like to take cheap shots at our tired yts, close to the gaff. That's lame. We must discourage them from picking up that habit.

The new folks, don't forget - you'll catch that first big fish... never hang your fish by the side of your kayak, in the water. Keep it on board, fully. They will try to steal your fish. They will pull violently, they may end up rolling you off of your kayak. It happened before.

Majority of these seals are not the big ol' knothead kind, territorial bulls. These guys are youngsters. The other day we were chasing one for an hour. Kept running away from the boat, surfacing with my yt's tail firmly in his jaws... turning back and looking at me like "wtf are you following me, I caught this fish".

Wore me out seriously, my back hurt for days. Finally the line broke, he got my fish.

I wasn't too heartbroken - we kept a few samples from that flock earlier for our culinary research.

Hate to find an excuse for these seals, could it be because the little ones are around?
The new generation of pups is out there. And there's a TON of them.

That's another thing that bums me out - these little guys are not too bright.

They still haven't learned about us having hooks and line attached to our baits. And that we use jigs, big pieces of iron with hooks attached.
They're learning.

They even hit the jig!

The other night we had 5 seals hookups.

And you know the next thing that happens -
the pup swims out to the beach with my Tady 9 Glow in the dark lip job.

Right there in front of our horrified local seal lovers supporter groups...

I am very sorry. I did not intend to do any business with that animal.

swinginFish · 02-25-2013, 10:48 PM

Guys,

This is an old and repeated issue -

One thing I've heard about that was reported to work (I, of course, would never think of trying this ...) was having some dead squid and a zip-lock bag of fresh cayenne pepper handy. When the dogs come by, it's suggested you dip a squid in the cayenne pepper and toss it towards them (but do it downwind - don't want the cayenne pepper blowing in your face - something that, uh, never happened to me). When the squid hits the water, I'm told the cayenne pepper will start to come off and cloud the water as the squid drifts down. If the squid's close to the seal, the seal will likely come by to investigate and, when it does, it will get some of the cayenne pepper on its nose and/or eyes. Not pleasant, this, so while no permanent damage, the pinniped will get the heck out of there just to rid itself of the irritation. Now if it actually eats the peppered squid, well, unless from south of the border, this will be one seal that will likely think twice before coming to another kayak for a handout. Uh, at least, this is what I was told ...

ocurtis · 02-25-2013, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baja_Traveler

wrist rocket and a handfull of marbles...

You know I was strongly considering this option with paintballs or something... I was just worried I would do more to upset the sea lion so that he would actually attack me. what do you think?

taggermike · 02-25-2013, 11:34 AM

Maybe slingshot and lead sinkers. No no but self defence shuldn't be limited to little bags of liquid. It has always been strange to me that saelions are treated so differently from every other large animal in our nation. Maybe because they don't eat people and rarely actually attack. Can you imagine having a bear, cougar, wolf, coyote, wolverine, even a badger charging to within feet of you or harrassing you for hours and your only legal defence is an f'n sling shot? "Get the paintballs out, that bear looks pissed". A surfing buddy of mine got taken off his board by a huge sealine and held down until he started to black out. I have been chased from the water by SLs in nor cal twice. Just plain scarey right there. I had a big bull pull that charge and roar shit on me and 4 year old daughter right in Dana harbor. Sorry for griping. Mike

02-25-2013, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taggermike

Maybe slingshot and lead sinkers. No no but self defence shuldn't be limited to little bags of liquid. It has always been strange to me that saelions are treated so differently from every other large animal in our nation. Maybe because they don't eat people and rarely actually attack. Can you imagine having a bear, cougar, wolf, coyote, wolverine, even a badger charging to within feet of you or harrassing you for hours and your only legal defence is an f'n sling shot? "Get the paintballs out, that bear looks pissed". A surfing buddy of mine got taken off his board by a huge sealine and held down until he started to black out. I have been chased from the water by SLs in nor cal twice. Just plain scarey right there. I had a big bull pull that charge and roar shit on me and 4 year old daughter right in Dana harbor. Sorry for griping. Mike

.357 ?

ocurtis · 02-25-2013, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madncrzydm

.357 ?

Well, I thought pistols were legal to carry on a boat for self defense... does my kayak fall under the broad description of boat??? haha.

Thanks, heading to get a slingshot and some paintballs! When I freeze them, I will still be legal, and they will have the effect of a marble!

Baja_Traveler · 02-25-2013, 12:31 PM

OK - taking the paintball idea one step further - a slingshot and a handfull of pepper balls...

02-25-2013, 12:54 PM

I can only imagine the amount of trouble one would get in for shooting a sea lion even if it was totally legitimate and it was attacking you. Peta would be all over it haha. On the other hand big 5 does sell a relatively inexpensive paintball pistol and pepper balls can be purchased for it elsewhere

02-25-2013, 11:16 AM	#4
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,886	WristRocket and Paintballs My local Sea Lions don't like my WristRocket and jar of paintballs...I believe marbles and bearings are illegal as they can harm the sweet little brown eyed BASTARDS...Kiyo gave me some extra hard paint balls that work really good. A shot to the back of the head or neck works wonders. The look of surprise on their face is worth dragging the slingshot around. Jim / Saba Slayer

02-25-2013, 10:42 PM	#7
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,568	Good stuff. That does sound freaky, glad you got back to your pots and even scored! I agree, the seals seem more aggressive lately. These guys from LJ like to eat yellowtail. Not that they had a problem stealing fish before. These guys like to take cheap shots at our tired yts, close to the gaff. That's lame. We must discourage them from picking up that habit. The new folks, don't forget - you'll catch that first big fish... never hang your fish by the side of your kayak, in the water. Keep it on board, fully. They will try to steal your fish. They will pull violently, they may end up rolling you off of your kayak. It happened before. Majority of these seals are not the big ol' knothead kind, territorial bulls. These guys are youngsters. The other day we were chasing one for an hour. Kept running away from the boat, surfacing with my yt's tail firmly in his jaws... turning back and looking at me like "wtf are you following me, I caught this fish". Wore me out seriously, my back hurt for days. Finally the line broke, he got my fish. I wasn't too heartbroken - we kept a few samples from that flock earlier for our culinary research. Hate to find an excuse for these seals, could it be because the little ones are around? The new generation of pups is out there. And there's a TON of them. That's another thing that bums me out - these little guys are not too bright. They still haven't learned about us having hooks and line attached to our baits. And that we use jigs, big pieces of iron with hooks attached. They're learning. They even hit the jig! The other night we had 5 seals hookups. And you know the next thing that happens - the pup swims out to the beach with my Tady 9 Glow in the dark lip job. Right there in front of our horrified local seal lovers supporter groups... I am very sorry. I did not intend to do any business with that animal. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a Last edited by lamb; 02-25-2013 at 10:59 PM.

02-25-2013, 10:48 PM	#8
swinginFish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 173	Dogs - Pavlov - Extinguising Unwanted Behavior Guys, This is an old and repeated issue - One thing I've heard about that was reported to work (I, of course, would never think of trying this ...) was having some dead squid and a zip-lock bag of fresh cayenne pepper handy. When the dogs come by, it's suggested you dip a squid in the cayenne pepper and toss it towards them (but do it downwind - don't want the cayenne pepper blowing in your face - something that, uh, never happened to me). When the squid hits the water, I'm told the cayenne pepper will start to come off and cloud the water as the squid drifts down. If the squid's close to the seal, the seal will likely come by to investigate and, when it does, it will get some of the cayenne pepper on its nose and/or eyes. Not pleasant, this, so while no permanent damage, the pinniped will get the heck out of there just to rid itself of the irritation. Now if it actually eats the peppered squid, well, unless from south of the border, this will be one seal that will likely think twice before coming to another kayak for a handout. Uh, at least, this is what I was told ...

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02-25-2013, 09:30 AM	#1
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	wrist rocket and a handfull of marbles...

02-25-2013, 10:18 AM	#2
addicted2sp33d Here fishy fishy fishy... Join Date: May 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 774	I remember reading somewhere that it's OK to tag them with a paintball marker or a slingshot. If you use the slingshot, marbles and other "hard" things are a big no-no.

02-25-2013, 10:28 AM	#3
madncrzydm Guest Posts: n/a	http://www.nwfsc.noaa.gov/publicatio...m28/harass.htm stole this from another thread on here read this it has some good infor but ultimately they are there to stay...

02-25-2013, 09:29 PM	#6
Dail14 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 123	Once on an overnight boat out of h&m, the deck hand tied a surface iron on and nailed a sea lion that was going for baracuda on the line. He quickly dissapeared.

02-25-2013, 11:34 AM	#10
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	Maybe slingshot and lead sinkers. No no but self defence shuldn't be limited to little bags of liquid. It has always been strange to me that saelions are treated so differently from every other large animal in our nation. Maybe because they don't eat people and rarely actually attack. Can you imagine having a bear, cougar, wolf, coyote, wolverine, even a badger charging to within feet of you or harrassing you for hours and your only legal defence is an f'n sling shot? "Get the paintballs out, that bear looks pissed". A surfing buddy of mine got taken off his board by a huge sealine and held down until he started to black out. I have been chased from the water by SLs in nor cal twice. Just plain scarey right there. I had a big bull pull that charge and roar shit on me and 4 year old daughter right in Dana harbor. Sorry for griping. Mike

02-25-2013, 12:31 PM	#13
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	OK - taking the paintball idea one step further - a slingshot and a handfull of pepper balls...

02-25-2013, 12:54 PM	#14
madncrzydm Guest Posts: n/a	I can only imagine the amount of trouble one would get in for shooting a sea lion even if it was totally legitimate and it was attacking you. Peta would be all over it haha. On the other hand big 5 does sell a relatively inexpensive paintball pistol and pepper balls can be purchased for it elsewhere