Deciding my next rig - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

carbonbass · 05-03-2012, 07:47 PM

Ok, as I add more accessories and gear to my mini-x i realize that its just too small for me. I am going to be looking for a 12 footer. I am thinking about a malibu stealth 12, an ocean tetra 12 angler, or a used outback. I know most are probably going to say outback, but if i go towards the malibu or ocean what would be your pick?

Caffeind · 05-03-2012, 08:42 PM

outback

vincentek9 · 05-04-2012, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Caffeind

outback

x2. why bother getting the OK or malibu if you're just going to upgrade to the outback anyways.

William Novotny · 05-04-2012, 06:04 AM

Im gonna be the squeaky wheel and say ocean kayak. I love their hull shapes. Im in a malibu xfactor now and all though it's very stable it gets very wet and sloppy in even the smallest wakes. If youre comfortable with a rocker style hull with secondary stability I would go with the o.k.

Jimmyz123 · 05-04-2012, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Novotny

Im gonna be the squeaky wheel and say ocean kayak. I love their hull shapes. Im in a malibu xfactor now and all though it's very stable it gets very wet and sloppy in even the smallest wakes. If youre comfortable with a rocker style hull with secondary stability I would go with the o.k.

I agree here also. I love the Ocean Kayaks. I bought an X-factor from a buddy and loved the stability on the bay but wasn't happy with the beach launches and landings, really wished I had the secondary stability. Then a buddy posted up his O.k. Prowler. I sold my X-factor and jumped at the Prowler. Many are going to point you to an Hobie and they are nice, but I would encourage you to test paddle each before you buy.

speedydk · 05-04-2012, 06:53 AM

I own both paddle and peddle love them both but if I could have only one it would be the paddle. I use a malibu X13 and to be perfectly honest it is my favorite I just like paddling better and it gives me more space in front of me for landing fish (ok so I don't need the space that much but its there) and with my bait tank in front of me (I have a kayatank) I'm not always trying to turn around to get out a fresh bait. Which if you don't have very good balance is a good time to flip your yak over. Nothing insurmountable but just convenience. The other plus is sometimes things go wrong with mirage drives yes you would have the paddle as a back up and its not like it happens all the time but my X13 paddles better than my Hobie Revo (I even forgot to bring the Mirage drive once that sucked).

The thing that makes up for the cost and inconvenience of the Hobie is the speed and distance you can cover. Sometimes I don't have alot of time but I want to fish a spot further away than I would have time to paddle to. The mirage drive allows me to do that. I have more range and it does not take as long to get there. Oh and the kids love the peddles its the only way my nine year old can keep up with my 14 year old and me so for me thats worth owning one (ok so the only time I get to use the Hobie is when I fish alone evenings during the week).

These are just my opinions and observations mind you I'm sure others will chime in but I'm kinda in the market for another yak and I've been thinking too! The Stealth 12 has been a consideration as has been the Outback and it seems like the new Moken might work for me as well. I really like having my bait up front. Though I'm leaning towards the outback just to keep the kids from fighting over who gets to use the Revo like they sometimes do now. So for now I'm just thinking...

One other note if I didn't have such a great paddle the preference might be different the full carbon Werners are that good! A huge difference to a paddler and still cheaper than a mirage drive. Two things I would not skimp on are a good paddle and a good seat. With those things you can do long days on a paddle yak, long enjoyable days

. Hope it helps
Darren

Baja_Traveler · 05-04-2012, 07:15 AM

Fishing out of an ancient O.K. Scupper Pro now - cant wait to make the upgrade to the new PA12 later this year...

StinkyMatt · 05-04-2012, 08:00 AM

If you are a kayaker, buy a kayak.

If you want to fish, buy a hobie.

Here, I just pissed off another 200 people!

Oh yeah, the mirage drives break down ALL the time, I mean alllll the time.

I think like 3 of them in California in 11 years.

William Novotny · 05-04-2012, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

If you are a kayaker, buy a kayak.

If you want to fish, buy a hobie.

Here, I just pissed off another 200 people!

Oh yeah, the mirage drives break down ALL the time, I mean alllll the time.

I think like 3 of them in California in 11 years.

3!? I don't like those odds. Stock to paddling!

mtnbykr2 · 05-04-2012, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

If you are a kayaker, buy a kayak.

If you want to fish, buy a hobie.

Here, I just pissed off another 200 people!

Oh yeah, the mirage drives break down ALL the time, I mean alllll the time.

I think like 3 of them in California in 11 years.

There's Matt...

Baja_Traveler · 05-04-2012, 10:38 AM

But it is the total truth -

I started out as a kayaker, and I'll never get rid of my Necky touring kayak because is is like the race car of the paddling world and I've camped out of it on several baja trips where I was days away from the launch point (and I want to do that again). But as a fishing boat, it's not even close.

Then I wanted to fish more, so I got my ancient Scupper Pro (which was the latest and greatest at the time) soon after that the Malibu's came out and I was jealous of all the guys fishing in them because it was clearly a better boat for fishing.

Now we have the Hobies, which are the most advanced fishing rigs invented to date. Used to be only the little pencil neck horse jockies could stand in a kayak, now just about any lardass like me an do it - with the right boat.
Go to the Hobie website and notice that the PA's are not even listed under the "kayak" heading - they are fishing boats and thats just what I'm after...

RockyRaab · 05-04-2012, 10:49 AM

Even with my limited experience with my Pro Angler, I have to agree. If you want to fish, get a craft designed for fishing. The Mirage Drive is fabulous -- and paddles break, too, you know.

Which brings me to a per peeve. Hobie dealers "peddle" their boats, the rest of us PEDAL them.

carbonbass · 05-06-2012, 12:22 PM

thank you all for your insight, i do believe i will be buying a used outback soon, its like Vince said, i know that even if i get the stealth or OK i will still have that thought of a mirage drive in the back of my head

. Besides, a used outback is the same price as the other 2 new. And i have a bait tank so no need for the stealth. Thanks again~

lowprofile · 05-06-2012, 11:42 PM

there's a reason we all (but wont admit) have a pro angler fund. jars of coins and ones and 5's in the glove box.

NextBite · 05-07-2012, 08:11 PM

Get a hobie, I have one for sale if your interested

05-03-2012, 07:47 PM	#1
carbonbass Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 367	Deciding my next rig Ok, as I add more accessories and gear to my mini-x i realize that its just too small for me. I am going to be looking for a 12 footer. I am thinking about a malibu stealth 12, an ocean tetra 12 angler, or a used outback. I know most are probably going to say outback, but if i go towards the malibu or ocean what would be your pick?

05-04-2012, 06:04 AM	#4
William Novotny The carpetbagger Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: tha newps Posts: 1,474	Im gonna be the squeaky wheel and say ocean kayak. I love their hull shapes. Im in a malibu xfactor now and all though it's very stable it gets very wet and sloppy in even the smallest wakes. If youre comfortable with a rocker style hull with secondary stability I would go with the o.k. __________________ "The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope." http://www.badinfluencetattoo.com/gallery.php?artist=21

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lowprofile #1 on fishstick's hitlist Join Date: May 2011 Location: Sea level Posts: 1,478	there's a reason we all (but wont admit) have a pro angler fund. jars of coins and ones and 5's in the glove box. __________________ MLPA- My Largest Poaching Area

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05-03-2012, 08:42 PM	#2
Caffeind Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: OC Posts: 146	outback

05-04-2012, 06:53 AM	#6
speedydk Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orange County Ca. Posts: 99	I own both paddle and peddle love them both but if I could have only one it would be the paddle. I use a malibu X13 and to be perfectly honest it is my favorite I just like paddling better and it gives me more space in front of me for landing fish (ok so I don't need the space that much but its there) and with my bait tank in front of me (I have a kayatank) I'm not always trying to turn around to get out a fresh bait. Which if you don't have very good balance is a good time to flip your yak over. Nothing insurmountable but just convenience. The other plus is sometimes things go wrong with mirage drives yes you would have the paddle as a back up and its not like it happens all the time but my X13 paddles better than my Hobie Revo (I even forgot to bring the Mirage drive once that sucked). The thing that makes up for the cost and inconvenience of the Hobie is the speed and distance you can cover. Sometimes I don't have alot of time but I want to fish a spot further away than I would have time to paddle to. The mirage drive allows me to do that. I have more range and it does not take as long to get there. Oh and the kids love the peddles its the only way my nine year old can keep up with my 14 year old and me so for me thats worth owning one (ok so the only time I get to use the Hobie is when I fish alone evenings during the week). These are just my opinions and observations mind you I'm sure others will chime in but I'm kinda in the market for another yak and I've been thinking too! The Stealth 12 has been a consideration as has been the Outback and it seems like the new Moken might work for me as well. I really like having my bait up front. Though I'm leaning towards the outback just to keep the kids from fighting over who gets to use the Revo like they sometimes do now. So for now I'm just thinking... One other note if I didn't have such a great paddle the preference might be different the full carbon Werners are that good! A huge difference to a paddler and still cheaper than a mirage drive. Two things I would not skimp on are a good paddle and a good seat. With those things you can do long days on a paddle yak, long enjoyable days . Hope it helps Darren

05-04-2012, 07:15 AM	#7
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	Fishing out of an ancient O.K. Scupper Pro now - cant wait to make the upgrade to the new PA12 later this year...

05-04-2012, 08:00 AM	#8
StinkyMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Under a bridge Posts: 2,169	If you are a kayaker, buy a kayak. If you want to fish, buy a hobie. Here, I just pissed off another 200 people! Oh yeah, the mirage drives break down ALL the time, I mean alllll the time. I think like 3 of them in California in 11 years.

05-04-2012, 10:38 AM	#11
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	But it is the total truth - I started out as a kayaker, and I'll never get rid of my Necky touring kayak because is is like the race car of the paddling world and I've camped out of it on several baja trips where I was days away from the launch point (and I want to do that again). But as a fishing boat, it's not even close. Then I wanted to fish more, so I got my ancient Scupper Pro (which was the latest and greatest at the time) soon after that the Malibu's came out and I was jealous of all the guys fishing in them because it was clearly a better boat for fishing. Now we have the Hobies, which are the most advanced fishing rigs invented to date. Used to be only the little pencil neck horse jockies could stand in a kayak, now just about any lardass like me an do it - with the right boat. Go to the Hobie website and notice that the PA's are not even listed under the "kayak" heading - they are fishing boats and thats just what I'm after...

05-04-2012, 10:49 AM	#12
RockyRaab Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 138	Even with my limited experience with my Pro Angler, I have to agree. If you want to fish, get a craft designed for fishing. The Mirage Drive is fabulous -- and paddles break, too, you know. Which brings me to a per peeve. Hobie dealers "peddle" their boats, the rest of us PEDAL them.

05-06-2012, 12:22 PM	#13
carbonbass Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 367	thank you all for your insight, i do believe i will be buying a used outback soon, its like Vince said, i know that even if i get the stealth or OK i will still have that thought of a mirage drive in the back of my head . Besides, a used outback is the same price as the other 2 new. And i have a bait tank so no need for the stealth. Thanks again~

05-07-2012, 08:11 PM	#15
NextBite Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Long Beach Posts: 389	Get a hobie, I have one for sale if your interested