Big threshers?

[William Novotny]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

Thanks man. You know it's weird how you always are drawn to respond to the negative crap before the cool posts, but thanks for your reply. The Big Ones are coming soon, they move up the coast faster then you think. You hit the migration right you can't miss them. The key is getting a bait in front of them when they come by.

There is nothing quite like watching a quality T screaming drag of an Tiagra or International, it always sends chills up my spine.

I may skiff fish them this year, as I have some friends who have never caught a big one. I might be willing to try for them from a kayak again just to see if I could do it but I'd want a support boat or take my skiff as a backup.

Jim

Dude, you don't even have to explain about responding to negativity......i know to well. When I say "bigger" im hoping to keep it in the 150-175 range. Im using a.....wait for it.....tld15-20 strummed up with 50# braid. Im down to push my gear to its limits but I honestly don't have enough freezer room and neighbors that I care to share with to keep a bigger t.

[Pat]

Actually I do know what I'm talking about,

Based on what?

So what, you went out in a WFO t-shark bite in Apr/May '07 off Laguna Canyon and caught a few just like every one else.

Anybody thats anybody in fishing knows your a legend in your own mind.

[dorado50]

I'm a nobody and prefer it that way but I do know a few "legends in their own minds" and it ain't fun!

[lowprofile]

well this was fun.

i have a few set ups and a couple days on the books. i think ill see what i can pull off.

[RK]

PAT IS THE MAN!

case closed.


(lock it up Adi)

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by RK

PAT IS THE MAN!

case closed.


(lock it up Adi)

Indeed... I'm just glad he didn't say the world was flat, or the universe revolves around us.

Yep the TLD15 is the ultimate Big Game tool, can kill anything in the ocean and all those guys with Gold Reels and God forbid two speeds are just throwing good money away for nothing.

[bus kid]

where did the BOTD section go? oh wait sorry wrong website....
thanks to Jim and Jim for the insight.

[lowprofile]

btw, good luck finding these guys on the yak. i went out several times in "prime" locations at the "right time" and got nothing... might have needed to fish my baits more towards the bottom than the mid and upper water column though. but 280ft seems kinda deep for a mackerel. lol

[monkeyfishturds]

With La Nina in the rear view mirror, I hope there is a better showing of threshers along the coast this spring. If bigger models show up like in 06', I'll put away my zebco plastic spool and beef up my gear.

[TEAMFISH]

Originally Posted by bus kid

where did the BOTD section go? oh wait sorry wrong website....
thanks to Jim and Jim for the insight.

Beat me to it

[TJones]

getting to end of spool with something large on other end ?

[TJones]

if you fish on a kayak long enough , eventually you will catch things you had no intention of. what a happens if you hook a smaller model with medium gear and he spools you ? how fast would you be towed around ? and how dangerous would it be ? granted you'r knot holds at the hub like it should .

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by dorado50

I'm a nobody....!

LOL...believe it or not I know the feeling.

There are different kinds of legends. It's the online form, those that constantly hang out on boards sniping at others that are most irritating.

The True fishing legends I know don't hardly post anymore. I mean I love to fish and have put in a lot of time on the water but there are people who know a lot more then I. The Brackmans, Leevy, Mrass, Larry, Chugey, they all know more about T sharks then I do. I could name a whole other set for tuna.

They don't even post online for the most part because they don't want to deal with all the we nuts stalking them and trying to put them down.

Nothing as savage as some jealous idiot with a computer.

In hindsight I should of just let this thread go by and never said a damn thing.

Jim

[William Novotny]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

LOL...believe it or not I know the feeling.

There are different kinds of legends. It's the online form, those that constantly hang out on boards sniping at others that are most irritating.

The True fishing legends I know don't hardly post anymore. I mean I love to fish and have put in a lot of time on the water but there are people who know a lot more then I. The Brackmans, Leevy, Mrass, Larry, Chugey, they all know more about T sharks then I do. I could name a whole other set for tuna.

They don't even post online for the most part because they don't want to deal with all the we nuts stalking them and trying to put them down.

Nothing as savage as some jealous idiot with a computer.

In hindsight I should of just let this thread go by and never said a damn thing.

Jim

I was able to read between the lines and pull alot of useful info from this thread.i can see getting tired of defending your comments after putting in years of time hunting these threshers, but guys with alot less experience are reading and appreciate the insite.

[Kahouna]

I too read through the lines and gleaned some really good information. I'm pretty sure a lot of people got the same.

[Jim Sammons LJKF]

Just remember guys this is a kayak fishing forum not a skiff fishing forum and fighting a fish from a kayak is way different than the much higher weight of a skiff. You can land pretty much as big a fish as you want in a kayak with a TLD15 LD. Are there better and stronger reels that may give you a shorter fight, hell yes, will the TLD 15 do the job, I would say for anything you actually want to catch in your kayak, hell yes.
I say this no to brag in any fashion only to qualify my statement. I have caught dozens of Threshers from my kayak with my biggest T off my kayak weighed on a certified scale, so no made up weight, and it was 172.4 pounds. Landed on a TLD 15 LD with 20 pound test and a 100lb flouro leader. The fight lasted 2 1/2 hours and was caught over the LJ canyon. This fish, because I was in a kayak, never got more than half way into the spool of line. Same with my first Marlin from the kayak, which took much faster runs, which was estimated at 150-180. That one was on a Charter Special which I guess is closer in size to a TLD 10, this time 20lb test with no leader. Again this fish never got even close to halfway into the spool, it did though drag me 8 miles out. I was with my friend Howard when he hooked and fought a 300lb plus Blue Marlin on a Trindad 14 and the fight lasted 4 1/2 hours and covered close to 17 miles and again the fish never got more than 1/2 way into the spool. I only say these things again as a reminder that we are fighting fish from a moving platform so generally speaking you just don't need that big heavier gear that Jim is talking about. Not saying you wouldn't mind having it during those long fights and have the ability to drop into low gear and just grind.

On aside, threads like this are why this community has gone down hill and many of the guys that have been around for a long time no longer post. There is rarely the sharing of info, if you do share you get attacked, if you don't share you get attacked, or in the sharing you are attacking someone else, or the posts are just a.... look at me...... a I am better than the rest of you..... look at me... just condescending with no actual helpful information. It honestly really depresses me to think of how close this community used to be and to where it has now come.
The people that give others crap for sharing information are generally the same ones who were all over this site sucking up information when they got started. I just don't get it

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by Pat

Based on what? So what, you went out in a WFO t-shark bite in Apr/May '07 off Laguna Canyon and caught a few just like every one else.

So I decided to come back and tone this down. I'm not mad I actually find the whole thing pretty comical.

First off.... I honestly don't think I fished T sharks at all in 2007. If I remember it right I still had thresher meat in the freezer when they came through. That might of been the year I took Rick's 56 Ocean Sportfisher down from MDR, and put him on a Thresher, but if so we got that fish south off an upwelling down by Dana, with no other boats around. I did fish them in 97, but that's a whole other story and like quality seabass they were a lot harder to catch back then.

I don't fish bites or crowds when it comes to T sharks. I can't think of a single quality T that I've caught when I was within a mile of another boat. You hunt down big Ts like marlin, and you don't fish the crowds like with seabass. Small inshore Ts group up and make bites. Big Ts are always on the move, here to today ten miles up the coast tomorrow. Even when you find them in groups they are usually spaced out maybe fifty to a hundred feet apart, big single fish down on the thermocline always on the move.

The only reason people think they stay in one place is they run into multiple waves of the same migration as the fish move up the coast.

You're obviously not a Big Game fisherman, you think a TLD15 is adequate for them, and for some weird reason you want to tell me I don't know my shit. Fair enough, but I can honestly tell you that anyone with big game fishing experience is going to know you're wrong.

I mean honestly how many Ts have you caught over 200 pounds? How many hours have you followed and trolled for them offshore? How many years have you tracked their migrations up the coast? Where do you get off telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when from what you are saying it's obvious you have no experience with them.

I can post about these larger sharks because I'm actually experienced with them, fished them for decades, and know their behavior.

I mean really..LMAO... a single speed TLD15 or TLD20 is not a big game reel. Everyone and anyone who fishes Big game knows this. Shimano knows this. They would never even recommend these reels for this application. It's just kinda ridiculous.

Speaking of real stuff versus web smack... This is what happens when you fish graphite framed TLD's for Adult T sharks:


I just took this pic a few minutes ago, and that reel in the middle upside down is my TLD25 with a cracked frame that was broken when a friend of mine hook an adult T with it then tried to stop a adult fish with it. It stripped three quarters of the line off the reel and he over tightened the drag and the frame popped. Happens all the time I can give you multiple examples off various boards.

Here's a a closer view:



See how the frame is cracked on the left. Now we in the larger fishing community call that first hand observable experience.

The stress from the harness, at the reel seat it was just to much for the composite and it snapped the foot. I know this happens because not only have a seen it happen to others but it happened to my own stupid reel, and I'm the one who's to drive over to shimano and get a new free frame. That damage is exactly why no-one with any real TLD reel experience fishes Adult Ts with graphite framed Shimanos. I love the reels, I own over a dozen of them but they are not built strong enough to fish for Adult Ts.

Now the reel next to it on the left is a different story. That is a TLD30 a 2speed version of the TLD 25 that has been upgraded with a superior drag, aluminum handle, and a aluminum frame.

One sweet reel and theoretically capable for T's up to around maybe 250 pounds. I still do not consider it an adult T reel, and don't use it for them. I like it for bait and hundred pound YFT, and it's alright for smaller Ts, but if I'm going with a reel that size for bigger fish I prefer a Daiwa SLD30-II (there's one in the back somewhere, I own four) because it has smoother gearing at low speed when the drag setting is over 18 pounds, and is better for cranking up from straight down.

That said I prefer Tiagra or International two speeds for most adult T fishing and if there are big fish over 300 pounds around I only fish 50 two speeds with 150 pound spectra for reasons that you'd find boring or pretentious.

So I'm now a legend in my own mind....hmmmm...... Well you know what they say: "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king."

Hey how are those threads going at Marlin Nut and BD???? SCMO may be our local big game site but it has big game fishing talent posting from all over the world, and they will give you the straight dope. They will tell you straight up, that a TLD15 or TLD20 is not a big game reel (they were originally deigned for 15 and 20 pound) and that adult Ts are big game, trust me I know.

Jim