Last day of fishing the now closed Scripps area

[Seahunterr]

That area wasn't closed today, I fished there all afternoonfor legal size halibut. Seriously, buying a fishing license is only sending DFG the message you agree with how they are managing resources...do you?

Originally Posted by Seahunterr

That area wasn't closed today, I fished there all afternoonfor legal size halibut. Seriously, buying a fishing license is only sending DFG the message you agree with how they are managing resources...do you?

What puts more money in the DFG's pocket, a $43 license, or the countless tickets they will be handing out knowing people are going to fish without them. Expect heightened presence at landing areas. You're not going to win by not buying a license. You're like a child holding his breath because he didn't get his ice cream.

[StinkyMatt]

Lets say for the sake of simple math that 1 million licences get sold each year. If you were to mobilize every BWE member not to buy one for a while you would possibly create a .5% temporary delay in funds to the state.

As much as this might make someone feel better, or like they are making a stand, it would mean absolutely nothing to the state.

Fishing without a licence is another option that may not be the best choice for us anglers. Last thing we want to be portrayed as is a bunch of lawless "fish killers".

Remember, the DFG is enforcing the laws created by someone else.

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.

Just my 2 cents.

[blitzburgh]

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.
Just my 2 cents.

I think that's a pretty good idea. It always seems like even the smallest groups of protesters get on the news these days. The big thing would be to get some news cameras there, easier said than done I'm sure.

[Aaron&Julie]

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

Lets say for the sake of simple math that 1 million licences get sold each year. If you were to mobilize every BWE member not to buy one for a while you would possibly create a .5% temporary delay in funds to the state.

As much as this might make someone feel better, or like they are making a stand, it would mean absolutely nothing to the state.

Fishing without a licence is another option that may not be the best choice for us anglers. Last thing we want to be portrayed as is a bunch of lawless "fish killers".

Remember, the DFG is enforcing the laws created by someone else.

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.

Just my 2 cents.

We agree with you and Blitzburgh, and we would love it if anyone could provide a partial/complete list of all companies and organizations (Green Peace, etc) who aligned themselves with the MLPA. Boycotting companies products, and emailing all of our own contacts, fishermen or not, to do the same, may at least put a dent in their pocketbooks.
An organized picketing in front of these establishments would definitely have a more immediate impact, and if media is involved, even that much better.

[bus kid]

Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

We agree with you and Blitzburgh, and we would love it if anyone could provide a partial/complete list of all companies and organizations (Green Peace, etc) who aligned themselves with the MLPA. Boycotting companies products, and emailing all of our own contacts, fishermen or not, to do the same, may at least put a dent in their pocketbooks.
An organized picketing in front of these establishments would definitely have a more immediate impact, and if media is involved, even that much better.

Bellcon started one here:

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...ead.php?t=6256

[mtnbykr2]

PASS THE POPCORN !!!!!

[WahooUSMA]

Originally Posted by StinkyMatt

Lets say for the sake of simple math that 1 million licences get sold each year. If you were to mobilize every BWE member not to buy one for a while you would possibly create a .5% temporary delay in funds to the state.

As much as this might make someone feel better, or like they are making a stand, it would mean absolutely nothing to the state.

Fishing without a licence is another option that may not be the best choice for us anglers. Last thing we want to be portrayed as is a bunch of lawless "fish killers".

Remember, the DFG is enforcing the laws created by someone else.

I was thinking about picketing in front of a retail location of one of the companies that financially aligned itself with the MLPA. This would not require great numbers but maight send a more precise message.

Just my 2 cents.

x-2

[PAL]

To those of you that actually spent time and effort to stop this process I want to thank you.I hope it feels good that it made almost no difference

I hope it feels good to be ignorant. Almost no difference? The better part of LJ is open. The enviros wanted the entire thing. They were desperate to get it. We turned them away. That was a huge difference, and it didn't happen by itself. Or maybe you're from Laguna. Then you're right. The blue bloods (or is that blue hairs?) won. Or Dume up in Malibu, movie star land? There weren't enough fishermen to defend our turf. Maybe you stayed home?

Other zones that went the fisherman's way:

Rocky Pt at PV
Catalina west end
Carp Reef
Pyramid Cove

I could keep going. It would have been much worse if people hadn't stood up. Too bad more didn't show, enough to shut down the hearings. I didn't miss one. When we had the numbers, events went our way. When our people faded, nightmare.

Every time one of us paddles out to north LJ kelp, dives there with a spear, or drops a line from a boat this community should feel proud for showing up and speaking too loudly to be ignored. It would be closed now without the kayak fishing crowd.

[DESTROYER]

Lebo 4 President

[YakMedic]

Originally Posted by DESTROYER

Lebo 4 President

x2
Thanks Paul

[mtnbykr2]

Originally Posted by DESTROYER

Lebo 4 President

I agree thanks Paul...well said

[Sherm]

Originally Posted by PAL

I hope it feels good to be ignorant. Almost no difference? The better part of LJ is open. The enviros wanted the entire thing. They were desperate to get it. We turned them away. That was a huge difference, and it didn't happen by itself. Or maybe you're from Laguna. Then you're right. The blue bloods (or is that blue hairs?) won. Or Dume up in Malibu, movie star land? There weren't enough fishermen to defend our turf. Maybe you stayed home?

Other zones that went the fisherman's way:

Rocky Pt at PV
Catalina west end
Carp Reef
Pyramid Cove

I could keep going. It would have been much worse if people hadn't stood up. Too bad more didn't show, enough to shut down the hearings. I didn't miss one. When we had the numbers, events went our way. When our people faded, nightmare.

Every time one of us paddles out to north LJ kelp, dives there with a spear, or drops a line from a boat this community should feel proud for showing up and speaking too loudly to be ignored. It would be closed now without the kayak fishing crowd.

I saw you at a lot of those meetings Paul....thanks for all your help. You are right...if we weren't there in the numbers we were we would have lost a lot more. The other side was bussing school children in for goodness sake. If we hadn't been there much more would have been closed. don't get me wrong......We lost some great spots but the damage would have been far greater.

One thing i did recognize was that the system was flawed and if you were going to get anything done you were going to have to be on the inside.

That is why I am running for city council in San Diego. It's time to quit just going to meetings and donating money. It"s time to stand up (get of the yak temporarily) and make a difference.

[Aaron&Julie]

Originally Posted by PAL

I hope it feels good to be ignorant. Almost no difference? The better part of LJ is open. The enviros wanted the entire thing. They were desperate to get it. We turned them away. That was a huge difference, and it didn't happen by itself. Or maybe you're from Laguna. Then you're right. The blue bloods (or is that blue hairs?) won. Or Dume up in Malibu, movie star land? There weren't enough fishermen to defend our turf. Maybe you stayed home?

Other zones that went the fisherman's way:

Rocky Pt at PV
Catalina west end
Carp Reef
Pyramid Cove

I could keep going. It would have been much worse if people hadn't stood up. Too bad more didn't show, enough to shut down the hearings. I didn't miss one. When we had the numbers, events went our way. When our people faded, nightmare.

Every time one of us paddles out to north LJ kelp, dives there with a spear, or drops a line from a boat this community should feel proud for showing up and speaking too loudly to be ignored. It would be closed now without the kayak fishing crowd.

x10

Paul's been one of the main men, fighting for our fishing rights.
All true fishermen will be frustrated at this whole MLPA thing. If you don't appreciate what HAS been won, then maybe you're from the other side.
Thanks, Paul, and to the countless others that gave us a little bit of our jewel.
MLPA is wrong, the people behind it are thoughtless bastards/bitches, and the whole thing sucks. But, until they get more extreme, we can hold off on going postal.

[stairman]

to all those I offended......sorry

to those of you that go on denying that the democrats are the problem..... well... you can fool all of the people some of the time......some of the people all of the time.

[Aaron&Julie]

Originally Posted by Drake

What puts more money in the DFG's pocket, a $43 license, or the countless tickets they will be handing out knowing people are going to fish without them. Expect heightened presence at landing areas. You're not going to win by not buying a license. You're like a child holding his breath because he didn't get his ice cream.

x2. They might make more money on citations, so what's the point?