Science and the MPA's - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Aaron · 05-06-2010, 03:18 PM

I'll see what I can get in terms of .pdf's. Usually you get a cd with abstracts for the talks when you show up. I won't post them directly here if I get them, but I sure can email them to you if you're interested.

Science had nothing to do with MPA's? No doubt politics play a huge/the main/the key role, but no doubt science is involved. In fact, we are relying upon science to stress our points as recreational fisherman. Not to mention the team of more than 20 research scientists in the SAT and what you have to understand is that data is data, the story and mistakes that are made in science lie in the interpretation of that data. I am 100% with you that politics and money heavily influenced and still influence the decisions being made and heavily influence the interpretation of collected data. But to say that science has nothing to do with it is saying that data is not being collected and that's simply not true. Data is being collected, its the interpretation that we are having a problem with and this is a great opportunity to look at the raw data without the political filter and interpretation that skew what we hear over and over again. I'm looking forward to it. Give me some numbers. The concrete, quantitative and qualitative facts of why places like LJ may be shut down. As soon as you hear "this data suggests..." then you can turn off. If the data is strong, you shouldn't have to tell us what it suggests. My guess is that like most cases of "pushing the interpretation envelope data" that the exact opposite points can be made using the same data set from those that are being utilized to push for the most strict closures. You're completely right about how skewed this stuff is. completely, and I want to say thanks for your efforts with the mlpa.

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05-06-2010, 03:18 PM	#7
Aaron Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 175	I'll see what I can get in terms of .pdf's. Usually you get a cd with abstracts for the talks when you show up. I won't post them directly here if I get them, but I sure can email them to you if you're interested. Science had nothing to do with MPA's? No doubt politics play a huge/the main/the key role, but no doubt science is involved. In fact, we are relying upon science to stress our points as recreational fisherman. Not to mention the team of more than 20 research scientists in the SAT and what you have to understand is that data is data, the story and mistakes that are made in science lie in the interpretation of that data. I am 100% with you that politics and money heavily influenced and still influence the decisions being made and heavily influence the interpretation of collected data. But to say that science has nothing to do with it is saying that data is not being collected and that's simply not true. Data is being collected, its the interpretation that we are having a problem with and this is a great opportunity to look at the raw data without the political filter and interpretation that skew what we hear over and over again. I'm looking forward to it. Give me some numbers. The concrete, quantitative and qualitative facts of why places like LJ may be shut down. As soon as you hear "this data suggests..." then you can turn off. If the data is strong, you shouldn't have to tell us what it suggests. My guess is that like most cases of "pushing the interpretation envelope data" that the exact opposite points can be made using the same data set from those that are being utilized to push for the most strict closures. You're completely right about how skewed this stuff is. completely, and I want to say thanks for your efforts with the mlpa.