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11-01-2009, 02:38 PM | #1 | |
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The newest maps are up
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Here is a side by side right now. It looks ugly for LJ. http://resources.ca.gov/mlpa_scrsg/B...ons_091030.pdf
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MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th. Last edited by tylerdurden; 11-01-2009 at 02:55 PM. |
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11-01-2009, 03:04 PM | #2 |
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Bad, bad, bad.
There are 4 options in San Diego. Only one of them is any good. That's Prop 2. If that's not enough, there are 3 at Malibu's Dume, including one that amounts to a death penalty. For PV the options are P2 or another map that takes out the bottom section of Rocky Pt. Get those BRTF letters in! |
11-01-2009, 04:35 PM | #3 |
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Looks like we're the last option.
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11-01-2009, 05:57 PM | #4 |
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OK guys, I written the emails sent money to the fund and told everyone I know how important this thing is. What else can be done to influence the outcome?
While I admit more than a bit of confusion about all of this, it appears to me that option 4 of the newest maps would be the best for La Jolla with option 3 being almost livable. Options 1 and 2 will probably cause me to sell my kayak since everywhere I currently fish will be off limits. Notice to the DFG, if I sell my kayak, I will no longer need to buy a fishing license. This if very frustrating to me. I can only imagine how hard it must be on the heavy lifters who have fought this thing tirelessly for that past couple of years. I cannot express in words how much I respect you guys and how grateful for all your efforts. Bob |
11-01-2009, 06:06 PM | #5 |
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What exactly can you do in the Blue areas ?
What is the exact language as per the mlpa ? ------------------ So Work Group 2 Map proposal is Now Called Option 4 ? WTF -- Is this designed to add confusion to all the letters they are receiving from State Senators, Assemblymen, etc. ? |
11-01-2009, 06:33 PM | #6 |
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BRTF option 4 is what is best for fishermen in San Diego. It is the San Diego array from WG2.
Options 1-3 all expand the current LJ reserve, and add the Scripps SMCA that really screws us kayakers over. A proposed allowed use on the spreadsheet included in the link is to allow bait catching by H&L only in the Scripps SMCA. This is a step in the right direction to allow bait by H&L but this is still obviously unacceptable. The difference between options 1 and 2 in is the boudary of the south LJ reserve. Option 2 is moved slightly to the south. BRTF option 3 is best for Point Dume, with 2 being worse, and 1 being not acceptable. In PV option 2 is OK, option 1 is unaccpetable. I don't know enough about Laguna to comment on that one. Someone? BRTF option 4 is best in San Diego. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th. |
11-01-2009, 06:39 PM | #7 |
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To fight this...
Get as many people possible to email the BRTF in support of the good options. Lobby the local council members and county supervisors to support the good options. Thank the government officials who have supported us.
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11-01-2009, 07:05 PM | #8 |
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Billy V's comment raises a good question. In my email to the MLPA folks I specifically said that I support option 2. Option 2 is now option 4. Should we all resend our emails?
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11-01-2009, 07:12 PM | #9 | |
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edit-> We still support the map from Work Group 2. The difference is in the BRTF options 2 is no longer the good option, 4 is. The BRTF options are all new. I wish the labeled them ABCD instead. So WG2 is good, BRTF 4 in San Diego is good. Any other questions go ahead and ask.
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MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th. |
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11-01-2009, 08:37 PM | #10 |
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In all my e-mails I word it as follows:
I Support Work Group 2 Map Proposal. -This differs from the Now Option 2, but I strongly feel they will use it to screw us over anyway they can. Lets try to keep it together in these last few days. Believe me, I know what stress you are going through. Thats all i want to say for now. -They will spin it into a word game. Persistent kelp Maximum kelp Elk Kelp Giant Kelp your sisters ass kelp |
11-01-2009, 08:40 PM | #11 |
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Fisherman preferred BRTF options by geography:
Santa Barbara: None. There’s only a single BRTF option. It includes an SMCA at Naples. SUPPORT RSG PROPOSAL 2 Malibu: Option 3. The boundary is WEST of Dume. Palos Verdes: Option 2. Keeps Rocky Pt open. Orange County: None. Both options are inefficient and hard to enforce wedges focused on the shoreline. SUPPORT RSG PROPOSAL 2 San Diego: Option 4. Leaves LJ as is. Catalina: Again, there’s only a single option and it includes an unnecessary SMR at Long Pt. SUPPORT RSG PROPOSAL 2 |
11-01-2009, 08:46 PM | #12 |
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I would suggest in the interest of safe guarding ALL OUR hard work that we send additional E-Mails that clarify our position for San Diego.
"I Support Work Group 2 Map Proposal, and BTRF Option 4 for San Diego" |
11-01-2009, 10:04 PM | #13 |
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That sums it up for SD. I agree.
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11-02-2009, 09:45 AM | #14 |
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Be very careful about what you support.
WG2 BRTF 4 for SD
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11-02-2009, 12:16 PM | #15 |
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I spoke to the I-Team.
They said they still accept comments for WG2 and the new BRTF options. The sample letters on Spearboard and Bloodydecks http://www.spearboard.com/showthread...88#post1080588 I have been revised to carefully point out WG versus Options. Trust me guys. I heard enough expletives about the new BRTF option designation to make a sailor blush. This is FUBAR on their part. Recommendation: Resend the emails to clarify that you are, for SD, supporting WG2 map and BRTF Option 4.
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11-03-2009, 09:21 AM | #16 |
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FFFFF, I just sent my letters then I read this.
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11-03-2009, 10:13 AM | #17 |
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I just spoke with I-Team Member Kelly Sayce
A Meeting is taking place today for the I-Team Members, they are discussing the issue of any possible confusion between letters supporting: "Work Group 2 Map Proposal" or "BTRF Option 2" They are well aware of the issue, and have heard from many of our representatives from the Kayak, Spear, Commercial, etc. Community regarding this matter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -A suggestion I made to Kelly was, since the BTRF Options 1 through 4 were created and released Sunday Night, November 1st. - any letter from that date forward should be scrutinized for accuracy. - Any E-Mail, or letter of support received prior to Nov. 1st. was a support letter for the original "Work Group 2 Map Proposal". -------------------------------------------------------------------- She will contact me later today after her meeting. |
11-03-2009, 10:20 AM | #18 |
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Thanks Billy
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11-03-2009, 06:15 PM | #19 |
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A question for Billy V.
Do the people you are talking to really care about the contents of the emails and letters that are being sent in or are they just taking care of the bookkeeping? It would seem to me that if this group really cared about the comments they are receiving, they would read every one carefully to determine the intent of each message. Maybe I am just too skeptical of the system. Please tell me I am wrong. Bob |
11-03-2009, 06:45 PM | #20 | |
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If you don't send in an email, they won't stick their neck out for you. If you back them up, they will stick up for us. I don't know if they read every email personally, I know the Iteam staff summarizes the emails for them sometimes and compiles them. Personalized emails are always better. Just sending in a forum letter and adding your name is not as good as drafting something your self. I do know they read a lot of the emails personally. Some of us have gotten personal responses from the MLPA people to emails we have sent in. Any other questions, go ahead and ask.
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MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th. |
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