braid/leaders for yo yo iron? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

rogersmith · 06-17-2009, 10:57 AM

I spooled a sealine50 with 40lb braid and intend to use it for irons for yellowtail. Do you connect the iron directly or do you recommend a fluorocarbon leader? how long a leader?
Thanks!

Pat · 06-17-2009, 11:03 AM

Hi,

I've seen a lot of pulled hooks when fishing straight spectra, I think the stretch in mono helps.

Since yoyo fishing is usually a ways outside the kelp, it's probably better to fish with a longer mono leader since you may not need the spectra for kelp cutting.

dorado50 · 06-17-2009, 11:17 AM

Because yo yoing heavy iron off bottom is mostly reaction bite wind on enough mono (floro not needed) to get you to the bottom,say 100ft. That way you can always cast iron out also.Straight spectra to lure -- one should be real good at determining drag.

whitedog · 06-17-2009, 11:19 AM

Spectra is only a kelp line for me it's a love hate thing. I'd do what he said and stick with the mono and if you are fishing with others the spectra will cut everyones line if it touches it when fish is running. Keep that pole in the kelp with a foot and a half of fluoro leader.nice setup mine is forever lost rip la jolla kelp.

dorado50 · 06-17-2009, 11:47 AM

Spectra is a great for all your reels. Its good for catching marlin,tunas,dorados,you name it. Just vary your topshot length for targeted species. Don't confuse fishing rod with fishing pole!

Billy V · 06-17-2009, 11:56 AM

As already has been posted.

Have a shop Top Shot your braid with 100 yards of Mono. (enough so the knot doesn't have to pass through the guides when Yo-Yoing.

I use 40lb P-line, 30 works good too.

SanDogSWO · 06-17-2009, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy V

As already has been posted.

Have a shop Top Shot your braid with 100 yards of Mono. (enough so the knot doesn't have to pass through the guides when Yo-Yoing.

I use 40lb P-line, 30 works good too.

If you are yo-yoing and have 100 yards of mono as a top shot, and the spectra never leaves the spool, what is the point of having sprectra on the reel at all? Why not just go with all mono? Even if you get a big enough fish to pull enough line that you have spectra in the water, you still have 100 yards of mono to get kelped, rocked, etc? Am I missing something here?

dorado50 · 06-17-2009, 12:46 PM

Its the versatility of it all. 100yds of mono would be good for marlin and bigger grade tunas,whereas, 100ft of mono would be better for more inshore fish,say yellowtail,t-sharks,and such. If one wants to fish near structure or kelp shorten the topshot or replace all that mono with a 3-4ft piece of florocarbon. Its cheaper to re-spool 100ft or 100yds of mono than the whole reel,about 300 yds. Some have dedicated rods and reels for every type of targeted species. ie..straight mono for yo yo fishing only.

a good knot should pass through rod guides with no resistence.

rogersmith · 06-17-2009, 01:10 PM

thanks so much for the discussion fellas, taking away allot of good advice/ideas

-scallywag- · 06-17-2009, 02:36 PM

spectra? i would never use it for a jig/cast application, that stuff is such a pain for so many reasons....expencive, doesnt cast well, hard to get out the backlashes and gets damaged easily..
the only time i use spectra is when fishing in the kelp or trolling next to the kelp, even then i will put about 150yrds of 30-40mono on first as a backing, then put ~200yrds topshot of 50-65 spectra, this saves some $green$ and also keeps the spectra from cutting so deep into the spool.
also spectra to flouro/mono use an albright (sp?) knot.

dorado50 · 06-17-2009, 03:39 PM

Spectra is fine for jigging as long as you have a mono top shot. If you plan to cast put as much mono on so as at the end of your furthest cast no spectra has left the spool. I put spectra on right on the spool at least 300 yds. putting on mono first just creates another knott to fail. Also I have never had a problem with spectra digging into itself,big fish after big fish!I guess I'm just lucky!

1Flatfish · 06-17-2009, 08:51 PM

Another thing to think about. 40 lb. braid is real thin. Be very careful with that stuff around big fish and heavy iron. It can cut you up pretty bad if you get you fingers in the way at the wrong time. Great for cutting kelp and skin!

MarkT · 06-18-2009, 07:55 AM

I don't want the knot to go through the guides on the cast. Either go with a topshot longer than you can cast or just use a couple of feet as a leader. With iron I go for the long topshot and short for a kelp cutter rig.

06-17-2009, 10:57 AM	#1
rogersmith Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 465	braid/leaders for yo yo iron? I spooled a sealine50 with 40lb braid and intend to use it for irons for yellowtail. Do you connect the iron directly or do you recommend a fluorocarbon leader? how long a leader? Thanks!

06-17-2009, 08:51 PM	#12
1Flatfish Wayne Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 98	Braid Another thing to think about. 40 lb. braid is real thin. Be very careful with that stuff around big fish and heavy iron. It can cut you up pretty bad if you get you fingers in the way at the wrong time. Great for cutting kelp and skin!

06-17-2009, 11:03 AM	#2
Pat Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 283	Hi, I've seen a lot of pulled hooks when fishing straight spectra, I think the stretch in mono helps. Since yoyo fishing is usually a ways outside the kelp, it's probably better to fish with a longer mono leader since you may not need the spectra for kelp cutting.

06-17-2009, 11:17 AM	#3
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Because yo yoing heavy iron off bottom is mostly reaction bite wind on enough mono (floro not needed) to get you to the bottom,say 100ft. That way you can always cast iron out also.Straight spectra to lure -- one should be real good at determining drag.

06-17-2009, 11:19 AM	#4
whitedog Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42	Spectra is only a kelp line for me it's a love hate thing. I'd do what he said and stick with the mono and if you are fishing with others the spectra will cut everyones line if it touches it when fish is running. Keep that pole in the kelp with a foot and a half of fluoro leader.nice setup mine is forever lost rip la jolla kelp.

06-17-2009, 11:47 AM	#5
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Spectra is a great for all your reels. Its good for catching marlin,tunas,dorados,you name it. Just vary your topshot length for targeted species. Don't confuse fishing rod with fishing pole!

06-17-2009, 11:56 AM	#6
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	As already has been posted. Have a shop Top Shot your braid with 100 yards of Mono. (enough so the knot doesn't have to pass through the guides when Yo-Yoing. I use 40lb P-line, 30 works good too.

06-17-2009, 12:46 PM	#8
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Its the versatility of it all. 100yds of mono would be good for marlin and bigger grade tunas,whereas, 100ft of mono would be better for more inshore fish,say yellowtail,t-sharks,and such. If one wants to fish near structure or kelp shorten the topshot or replace all that mono with a 3-4ft piece of florocarbon. Its cheaper to re-spool 100ft or 100yds of mono than the whole reel,about 300 yds. Some have dedicated rods and reels for every type of targeted species. ie..straight mono for yo yo fishing only. a good knot should pass through rod guides with no resistence.

06-17-2009, 01:10 PM	#9
rogersmith Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 465	thanks so much for the discussion fellas, taking away allot of good advice/ideas

06-17-2009, 02:36 PM	#10
-scallywag- Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: on the road... Posts: 598	spectra? i would never use it for a jig/cast application, that stuff is such a pain for so many reasons....expencive, doesnt cast well, hard to get out the backlashes and gets damaged easily.. the only time i use spectra is when fishing in the kelp or trolling next to the kelp, even then i will put about 150yrds of 30-40mono on first as a backing, then put ~200yrds topshot of 50-65 spectra, this saves some $green$ and also keeps the spectra from cutting so deep into the spool. also spectra to flouro/mono use an albright (sp?) knot.

06-17-2009, 03:39 PM	#11
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Spectra is fine for jigging as long as you have a mono top shot. If you plan to cast put as much mono on so as at the end of your furthest cast no spectra has left the spool. I put spectra on right on the spool at least 300 yds. putting on mono first just creates another knott to fail. Also I have never had a problem with spectra digging into itself,big fish after big fish!I guess I'm just lucky!

06-18-2009, 07:55 AM	#13
MarkT Deep Release Specialist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 94	I don't want the knot to go through the guides on the cast. Either go with a topshot longer than you can cast or just use a couple of feet as a leader. With iron I go for the long topshot and short for a kelp cutter rig.