A desperate MLPA Plea!! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Holy Mackerel · 05-28-2009, 11:29 AM

As you have seen Steve's thread. If you love fishing SOCAL, read EVERY WORD! You all should be outraged!

This is serious business at this point, this next BRTF meeting is going to be the breaking point, of how business is conducted.

Some of you were in the trenches at the Oxnard meeting where ~30 RSG members turned in a letter stating that the process needs to be slowed down for many reasons, among them needing time to review the science to be able to make an informed decision. This was because the RSG members were literally given the information the day before the meeting. The BRFT paid lip service to this letter, and the RSG members request, essentially, telling them to make due, and they are moving forward.

Well, the RSG members did make due, and worked hard in good faith, to move forward and find consensus. As you read, 6 of the 7 maps were to move forward, and External C (CLOSE IT ALL) got voted out.

A dozen non-consumptive RSG members complained to the BRFT, and so Ken Wiseman moved all 7 maps forward, including External C.

This undermines the process, and the good faith effort made by the RSG members. Had the most minimal MPA maps been voted out, do you think the BRFT would have pushed it forward? No.

EVERYONE needs to attend this next meeting, and shut it down. This is supposed to be a fair proces, External C was fairly voted out from the list of maps. This process should not continue on, if the BRFT is not going respect the MAJORITY of the RSG Membership decisions, and treat one group more favorably than the other.

June 4th, 2009
9:40AM Public Comment
Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel *
6101 West Century Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90045

Who is going to this next meeting?

1. chris

tylerdurden · 05-28-2009, 11:35 AM

Maybe. Leaning towards yes. Talking to the boss soon.

tattuna · 05-28-2009, 12:34 PM

I'm in.

zenspearo · 05-28-2009, 12:38 PM

We need to be there. The spearos will organize to be there. Let's let them know.

I propose that we all carry big poster boards and holding them up "Stop selling out" "What happened to fair and open?" or "Don't like the vote? Change the rules when you lose"

so the silent testimony will be evident even when they aren't giving us our 1 minute.

Holy Mackerel · 05-28-2009, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenspearo

We need to be there. The spearos will organize to be there. Let's let them know.

I propose that we all carry big poster boards and holding them up "Stop selling out" "What happened to fair and open?" or "Don't like the vote? Change the rules when you lose"

so the silent testimony will be evident even when they aren't giving us our 1 minute.

Exactly Joe, signs are a great idea, I thought about that for the last few meetings, but didnt know how appropriate. Now I think it is very much so!!

tylerdurden · 05-28-2009, 01:09 PM

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Change the rules when you lose

That sums it up pretty well.

Holy Mackerel · 05-28-2009, 01:29 PM

Kayakers:

I know it seems like many meetings, and you are getting less than 1 week notice, and they are at crappy times... BUT...............

A lot people rallied for Santa Ana MLPA meeting, that had profound impact on getting EXt. C off the list of proposals. But your effort has been underminded. This war is not over, yes, had Ken Wiseman, and Don Benninghoven not disregarded the RSG vote, we would not have to necessarily attend this meeting in force, maybe just to monitor it. But now we do need to call in sick, or just ask for the day off.

Listen I CANNOT do that, I can't, I can't call in another day, or ask for a vacation day this short of notice, because I have nearly zero time left, and many work projects due. But I am, and will be there, because this meeting, and the rest are important. So, no excuses.

We are 2/3 done, and they have changed the rules, because they did not like the results.

If we do not all band together for every opportunity, then we will get what we deserve.

zenspearo · 05-28-2009, 02:25 PM

It goes without saying that I will be there. And my speaking point will include kayakfishing advocacy. We are in this together and we need to step up on this one guys.

Our RSGs spent 3 (three) long days securing the compromise, only to be swept away by underhanded, blatantly biased dealings. Their hands are tied. We need to step up and speak out.

Be there. Please.

P.S. Chris Fiero is too nice to say it but with multiple challenges, the least of which is new house move, family serious illness, he's STILL making NO excuses. He'll be there. Will you be there with him?

fryguy · 05-28-2009, 03:10 PM

can we get a roll call for this meeting....seems like it helps rally the masses

scwafish · 05-28-2009, 03:22 PM

As someone who sat on the RSG up here and you NEED to be involved, otherwise you will get hosed.

Holy Mackerel · 05-28-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fryguy

can we get a roll call for this meeting....seems like it helps rally the masses

Who is going to this next meeting?

1. chris

DESTROYER · 05-28-2009, 03:45 PM

I WILL BE THERE!!!!

Holy Mackerel · 05-28-2009, 03:52 PM

1. Chris
2. Moyer
3. Zen
4. Tyler (checking with boss)
5. Corey (See above)
6. Fallon (same as 4 & 5)
7. Steve Green
8. fryguy?
9. Kurt
10. Charles
11. ?

tylerdurden · 05-28-2009, 04:23 PM

I am in, screw it. Our chances are running out. Wiseman just tipped his hand. Time to hammer them for it.

Grego · 05-28-2009, 04:41 PM

I'll be there.

steveooo · 05-28-2009, 04:53 PM

Probably

buttchaser · 05-28-2009, 05:10 PM

I'll be there , Will you? Lets go fellas!

DESTROYER · 05-28-2009, 05:12 PM

Your going Stevo....We will get a side game of LCR going and everytime one of the Enviros speak up we will yell "TRIPLE NIPPLE, BITCHES". You can do it!

rastrev · 05-28-2009, 06:27 PM

I'm in too.

joyjiggin' · 05-28-2009, 07:45 PM

.I'll be there and my 14yr. old son, too. Kayakers, please UNITE.

05-28-2009, 11:29 AM	#1
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	A desperate MLPA Plea!! As you have seen Steve's thread. If you love fishing SOCAL, read EVERY WORD! You all should be outraged! This is serious business at this point, this next BRTF meeting is going to be the breaking point, of how business is conducted. Some of you were in the trenches at the Oxnard meeting where ~30 RSG members turned in a letter stating that the process needs to be slowed down for many reasons, among them needing time to review the science to be able to make an informed decision. This was because the RSG members were literally given the information the day before the meeting. The BRFT paid lip service to this letter, and the RSG members request, essentially, telling them to make due, and they are moving forward. Well, the RSG members did make due, and worked hard in good faith, to move forward and find consensus. As you read, 6 of the 7 maps were to move forward, and External C (CLOSE IT ALL) got voted out. A dozen non-consumptive RSG members complained to the BRFT, and so Ken Wiseman moved all 7 maps forward, including External C. This undermines the process, and the good faith effort made by the RSG members. Had the most minimal MPA maps been voted out, do you think the BRFT would have pushed it forward? No. EVERYONE needs to attend this next meeting, and shut it down. This is supposed to be a fair proces, External C was fairly voted out from the list of maps. This process should not continue on, if the BRFT is not going respect the MAJORITY of the RSG Membership decisions, and treat one group more favorably than the other. June 4th, 2009 9:40AM Public Comment Sheraton Gateway Los Angeles Hotel * 6101 West Century Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90045 Who is going to this next meeting? 1. chris

05-28-2009, 11:35 AM	#2
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Maybe. Leaning towards yes. Talking to the boss soon. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

05-28-2009, 12:34 PM	#3
tattuna Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasadena Posts: 329	I'm in. __________________ IG @tattuna

05-28-2009, 02:25 PM	#8
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	It goes without saying that I will be there. And my speaking point will include kayakfishing advocacy. We are in this together and we need to step up on this one guys. Our RSGs spent 3 (three) long days securing the compromise, only to be swept away by underhanded, blatantly biased dealings. Their hands are tied. We need to step up and speak out. Be there. Please. P.S. Chris Fiero is too nice to say it but with multiple challenges, the least of which is new house move, family serious illness, he's STILL making NO excuses. He'll be there. Will you be there with him? __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

05-28-2009, 04:23 PM	#14
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	I am in, screw it. Our chances are running out. Wiseman just tipped his hand. Time to hammer them for it. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

05-28-2009, 12:38 PM	#4
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	We need to be there. The spearos will organize to be there. Let's let them know. I propose that we all carry big poster boards and holding them up "Stop selling out" "What happened to fair and open?" or "Don't like the vote? Change the rules when you lose" so the silent testimony will be evident even when they aren't giving us our 1 minute.

05-28-2009, 01:29 PM	#7
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Kayakers: I know it seems like many meetings, and you are getting less than 1 week notice, and they are at crappy times... BUT............... A lot people rallied for Santa Ana MLPA meeting, that had profound impact on getting EXt. C off the list of proposals. But your effort has been underminded. This war is not over, yes, had Ken Wiseman, and Don Benninghoven not disregarded the RSG vote, we would not have to necessarily attend this meeting in force, maybe just to monitor it. But now we do need to call in sick, or just ask for the day off. Listen I CANNOT do that, I can't, I can't call in another day, or ask for a vacation day this short of notice, because I have nearly zero time left, and many work projects due. But I am, and will be there, because this meeting, and the rest are important. So, no excuses. We are 2/3 done, and they have changed the rules, because they did not like the results. If we do not all band together for every opportunity, then we will get what we deserve.

05-28-2009, 03:10 PM	#9
fryguy Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san diego Posts: 33	can we get a roll call for this meeting....seems like it helps rally the masses

05-28-2009, 03:22 PM	#10
scwafish Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ukiah Posts: 86	As someone who sat on the RSG up here and you NEED to be involved, otherwise you will get hosed.

05-28-2009, 03:45 PM	#12
DESTROYER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "The Table" Posts: 976	I WILL BE THERE!!!!

05-28-2009, 03:52 PM	#13
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	1. Chris 2. Moyer 3. Zen 4. Tyler (checking with boss) 5. Corey (See above) 6. Fallon (same as 4 & 5) 7. Steve Green 8. fryguy? 9. Kurt 10. Charles 11. ?

05-28-2009, 04:41 PM	#15
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 445	I'll be there.

05-28-2009, 04:53 PM	#16
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,921	Probably

05-28-2009, 05:10 PM	#17
buttchaser Float Tuber Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 243	I'll be there , Will you? Lets go fellas!

05-28-2009, 05:12 PM	#18
DESTROYER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "The Table" Posts: 976	Your going Stevo....We will get a side game of LCR going and everytime one of the Enviros speak up we will yell "TRIPLE NIPPLE, BITCHES". You can do it!

05-28-2009, 06:27 PM	#19
rastrev Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SD, CA Posts: 173	I'm in too. __________________ "If a fish could keep his mouth shut, he would never get caught." - U-Roy, Fisherman Style

05-28-2009, 07:45 PM	#20
joyjiggin' Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 109	.I'll be there and my 14yr. old son, too. Kayakers, please UNITE.