Using Rockfish as Bait? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

John Doe · 09-11-2016, 11:56 AM

Can you use rockfish for bait? I've heard different things?

Thanks,
JD

Dave Legacy · 09-11-2016, 03:50 PM

I suppose as long as you don't exceed a daily bag limit. I'd be interested to hear if using a small rockfish to catch a larger rockfish would count and being size selective (can't recall the legal term for sizing up)? Go nuts using Sand Dabs instead.

JeffB · 09-11-2016, 04:35 PM

I don't think you're allowed to use any game fish as bait. I know folks do, but as strip bait

maquinapescado · 09-11-2016, 08:30 PM

I would never use a small salmon grouper fillets caught on a sibiki to catch reds or lings. It would be very very wrong.

alanw · 09-12-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffB

I don't think you're allowed to use any game fish as bait. I know folks do, but as strip bait

I know I read this somewhere too, but couldn't find it in the regs. Maybe it's just for freshwater? Not sure. They definitely count towards your limits though and I would never use gamefish as live bait.

Phishphood · 09-12-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

Can you use rockfish for bait? I've heard different things?

Thanks,
JD

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Originally Posted by Carrie Wilson

Using black or blue rockfish for lingcod bait?
Question: Can one use black or blue rock fish as bait to catch lingcod? I have seen people do this but I believe you cannot since rockfish are considered to be a game fish. (John C., Roseville)

Answer: Yes, anglers can take black or blue rockfish that they have caught to send back down on a hook to catch lingcod. However, while those two species do not have minimum size limits, any legal rockfish you use as bait count toward your daily bag limit of rockfish.

https://californiaoutdoorsqas.com/2016/05/
So yes you can. The bait fish should be counted toward your daily bag limit. No clue if using RF fillets would need to adhere to at-sea filleting rules but my guess would be yes.

maquinapescado · 09-12-2016, 03:57 PM

Lings love Sand Dabs and there is no limits on those. You can fillet them and use them for bait too and they do not count

straightrod · 09-12-2016, 05:49 PM

Would one use a whole Sand Dab as bait and expect to catch something?

Dave Legacy · 09-12-2016, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by straightrod

Would one use a whole Sand Dab as bait and expect to catch something?

Lingcod have big mouths and sand dabs are usually pretty small.

Rambo · 09-13-2016, 12:10 AM

If the lingcod decides to tag along and hitchhike following the rockfish there is no harm. Just reel slow and get the gaff ready, plenty of times I seen lingcod tag along and try and chase a hooked up rockfish. These party/cow boats toss the small rockfishes so instead of reeling after it gets bit let it stay down for a larger bite so your not intentionally killing them by bringing them up to the surface.

Aaron&Julie · 09-13-2016, 01:00 AM

Back in the winter of 1972/73 I was pinheading on the full day boat Pursuit out of Redondo. We'd fish the Kidney and other banks around Santa Barbara Island towards the Channel Isles, in 300+ feet deep. Whenever wed' catch 8-10" rockfish (especially striped) we'd often fillet out the sides to go after big Cows, Reds, Bocaccio, or Lings with good results. Rockfish this size were runts, and they would not survive if thrown back, not after coming up from that deep.
Regs were looser then, we were even allowed to use 10 hooks to go along with our 3-5lbs of lead.
I saw it a couple of times on the Pursuit where a Ling swallowed a whole rockfish on a ganion. Further up North in shallower water Lings regularly gulp down whole rockfish, or follow them up.

If it's legal, and you know the whereabouts of a good rock/shelf or lingcod location off of LJ, it might be worth a try, especially if you've caught a little 6-8" rockfish that's inflated and may not survive being released anyway. A rockfish that small will barely make 1 or 2 fish tacos, but catching a legal Lingcod off of it, or even a big Red means fish tacos for the whole family

If I get the chance to GPS some locations of lobster traps this winter, I would try it next year.

Oh, and yeah Lingcod love sand dabs and live squid. Just about anything they can get their big toothy mouth around.

John Doe · 09-15-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Phishphood

https://californiaoutdoorsqas.com/2016/05/
So yes you can. The bait fish should be counted toward your daily bag limit. No clue if using RF fillets would need to adhere to at-sea filleting rules but my guess would be yes.

Thanks for responding everyone. According to the above DFG article, yes you can

09-11-2016, 11:56 AM	#1
John Doe 8'6" Thresher - 20lb Mono Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Central Coast Posts: 11	Using Rockfish as Bait? Can you use rockfish for bait? I've heard different things? Thanks, JD

09-11-2016, 04:35 PM	#3
JeffB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: La Jolla Posts: 1,216	I don't think you're allowed to use any game fish as bait. I know folks do, but as strip bait __________________ If you're looking for me I'm

09-11-2016, 08:30 PM	#4
maquinapescado Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 326	I would never use a small salmon grouper fillets caught on a sibiki to catch reds or lings. It would be very very wrong. __________________ Climb, Surf, Fish, Repeat

09-12-2016, 03:57 PM	#7
maquinapescado Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 326	Lings love Sand Dabs and there is no limits on those. You can fillet them and use them for bait too and they do not count __________________ Climb, Surf, Fish, Repeat

09-13-2016, 01:00 AM	#11
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	Back in the winter of 1972/73 I was pinheading on the full day boat Pursuit out of Redondo. We'd fish the Kidney and other banks around Santa Barbara Island towards the Channel Isles, in 300+ feet deep. Whenever wed' catch 8-10" rockfish (especially striped) we'd often fillet out the sides to go after big Cows, Reds, Bocaccio, or Lings with good results. Rockfish this size were runts, and they would not survive if thrown back, not after coming up from that deep. Regs were looser then, we were even allowed to use 10 hooks to go along with our 3-5lbs of lead. I saw it a couple of times on the Pursuit where a Ling swallowed a whole rockfish on a ganion. Further up North in shallower water Lings regularly gulp down whole rockfish, or follow them up. If it's legal, and you know the whereabouts of a good rock/shelf or lingcod location off of LJ, it might be worth a try, especially if you've caught a little 6-8" rockfish that's inflated and may not survive being released anyway. A rockfish that small will barely make 1 or 2 fish tacos, but catching a legal Lingcod off of it, or even a big Red means fish tacos for the whole family If I get the chance to GPS some locations of lobster traps this winter, I would try it next year. Oh, and yeah Lingcod love sand dabs and live squid. Just about anything they can get their big toothy mouth around. __________________ "Never say die"

09-11-2016, 03:50 PM	#2
Dave Legacy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Hacienda Heights, CA Posts: 427	I suppose as long as you don't exceed a daily bag limit. I'd be interested to hear if using a small rockfish to catch a larger rockfish would count and being size selective (can't recall the legal term for sizing up)? Go nuts using Sand Dabs instead.

09-12-2016, 05:49 PM	#8
straightrod Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 48	Would one use a whole Sand Dab as bait and expect to catch something?

09-13-2016, 12:10 AM	#10
Rambo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 434	If the lingcod decides to tag along and hitchhike following the rockfish there is no harm. Just reel slow and get the gaff ready, plenty of times I seen lingcod tag along and try and chase a hooked up rockfish. These party/cow boats toss the small rockfishes so instead of reeling after it gets bit let it stay down for a larger bite so your not intentionally killing them by bringing them up to the surface.