Fish ID? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Vikingj · 03-12-2016, 03:33 PM

Can you identify this fish? C&R'ed Thurs at Dana Point. Taken on sardine near bottom. Considered it being a young BSB (which have highly variable patterns) but doesn't fit descriptions or pics in my 3 ichthyology references.

YakDout · 03-12-2016, 03:43 PM

Those spots are tell tale. Bsb

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Dannowar · 03-12-2016, 03:46 PM

why would you put that on a stringer?

I've been told by DFW that once a fish is on a stringer that its "in your possession" so I'm not really sure where they fall if you "C&R'd" it

probably did it more harm than good....

f'nsabiki · 03-12-2016, 03:56 PM

OP--I would delete this post if I were you.

Dave Legacy · 03-12-2016, 04:00 PM

BSB, no doubt about it.

HobieScot · 03-12-2016, 04:02 PM

We were spear fishing in Catalina and got boarded by DFG. All was good with us but they did mention that the boat fishing 100 yards from us caught and kept a baby/young BSB thinking it was something else which according to the DFG netted that fisherman a minimum of a $3k fine and could go upwards of $10k depending on other circumstances

When in doubt don't even bring it on board to remove the hook. If I can't absolutely ID a fish it won't ever leave the water

rossman · 03-12-2016, 04:28 PM

Nothing but a head shake from me.

bolocop · 03-12-2016, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f'nsabiki

OP--I would delete this post if I were you.

I wouldn't suggest that either. You could be interfering with a justice investigation if someone has forwarded to DFG. This thread is getting dicey.

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Silbaugh4liberty · 03-12-2016, 05:42 PM

Really, someone here would do that?

ful-rac · 03-12-2016, 06:37 PM

Purple spotted grouper!

DanaPT · 03-12-2016, 06:45 PM

Remember when you did not know?

I'm sure he won't do it again.

Just realized there are two anglers. Hmmmm. Both guys not knowing ??????????????

summers in kuwait · 03-12-2016, 07:35 PM

Please look at the regulations and check out the proper methods for cpr.
A stringer is for retention and can damage the gils, thus lowering the chance of survival.

Flyak13 · 03-12-2016, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bolocop

I wouldn't suggest that either. You could be interfering with a justice investigation if someone has forwarded to DFG. This thread is getting dicey.

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So how exactly would deleting this post be interfering with an investigation that may or may not be taking place ? Oh yes i forgot this is bwe and you guys know everything , dude can and should delete it , as he has every right to not self incriminate himself , now ... Why in the hell would you throw a fish that you can't positively id but think it might be a bsb on a game clip ? Then go post a picture on a website full of cry babies? now you've got assholes like me rolling their eyes and asking themselves wtf is this guys malfunction? I mean this right here takes a special kind of stupid, if it's on the clip, it's considered taken by dfg and even with a successful release you can still possibly be cited and fined.

Vikingj · 03-12-2016, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dannowar

why would you put that on a stringer?

I've been told by DFW that once a fish is on a stringer that its "in your possession" so I'm not really sure where they fall if you "C&R'd" it

probably did it more harm than good....

I did not catch the fish or put it on a stringer. Another kayaker saw me fishing nearby and came over to ask what it was. I wasn't absolutely sure but suggested it could be a bsb. I asked if I could take a pic to ID at home and he decided to release it in case I was right. Originally I couldn't find a matching description or pic but tonight I found the exact picture (in Field Guide to Pacific Coast Fishes, Eschmeyer et al) labeled as a junior Giant Sea Bass (aka BSB). I'm innocent!

driftwood · 03-12-2016, 07:48 PM

That is an easy 24,000 dollar fine. This has all the makings of Nat Geo
Wild justice realty show. Get your pop corn ready boys!

Mr. NiceGuy · 03-12-2016, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyak13

So how exactly would deleting this post be interfering with an investigation that may or may not be taking place ? Oh yes i forgot this is bwe and you guys know everything , dude can and should delete it , as he has every right to not self incriminate himself , now ... Why in the hell would you throw a fish that you can't positively id but think it might be a bsb on a game clip ? Then go post a picture on a website full of cry babies? now you've got assholes like me rolling their eyes and asking themselves wtf is this guys malfunction? I mean this right here takes a special kind of stupid, if it's on the clip, it's considered taken by dfg and even with a successful release you can still possibly be cited and fined.

Anyway, they watch us with drones now anyway, so "what difference does it make?"

We're all guilty of something bad enough to put us away.

And get those damn seals that eat BSB too!

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FWIW:

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/...tfish/Sea-Bass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sea_bass

https://www.google.com/search?q=gian...w=1408&bih=758

http://kcbx.org/post/californias-gia...ear-extinction

... and for free bonus points at no additional charge, please tell me if these are Giant Black Sea Bass or Gulf Grouper?

Raskal311 · 03-12-2016, 08:05 PM

i got one of those out of Newport two weeks ago, first thought was grouper or some type of rock fish. Glad I let the little guy go.

seascrambler · 03-12-2016, 09:00 PM

tastes like bald eagle....

King Saba · 03-12-2016, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. NiceGuy

Anyway, they watch us with drones now anyway, so "what difference does it make?"

We're all guilty of something bad enough to put us away.

And get those damn seals that eat BSB too!

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FWIW:

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Fishing/...tfish/Sea-Bass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_sea_bass

https://www.google.com/search?q=gian...w=1408&bih=758

http://kcbx.org/post/californias-gia...ear-extinction

... and for free bonus points at no additional charge, please tell me if these are Giant Black Sea Bass or Gulf Grouper?

Looks like gulf. Maybe not even a gulf actually, but definitely not a BSB.

JohnnyC · 03-12-2016, 09:45 PM

Jesus!! You guys sure do go hard on people on here. Not everyone is a professional, or educated on every species of fish. I'm new around here and this site has been my go to place to learn and prepare myself whenever I hit the water. I've never caught a bsb or wsb (never targeted these fish) and I rely heavily on post like this to learn so that I don't make the same mistakes. Therefore, I hate to see people become hesitant when posting threads like these. Makes me nervous thinking about posting my catches this season. Actually, makes me nervous posting this. Not here to stir things up, I just wanna fish

Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from this thread

03-12-2016, 03:33 PM	#1
Vikingj Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dana Point area Posts: 438	Fish ID? Can you identify this fish? C&R'ed Thurs at Dana Point. Taken on sardine near bottom. Considered it being a young BSB (which have highly variable patterns) but doesn't fit descriptions or pics in my 3 ichthyology references. Attached Images

03-12-2016, 03:46 PM	#3
Dannowar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,823	why would you put that on a stringer? I've been told by DFW that once a fish is on a stringer that its "in your possession" so I'm not really sure where they fall if you "C&R'd" it probably did it more harm than good.... __________________ "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity; lick it once and you’ll suck forever." — Brian Wilson

03-12-2016, 04:02 PM	#6
HobieScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 370	Fish ID? We were spear fishing in Catalina and got boarded by DFG. All was good with us but they did mention that the boat fishing 100 yards from us caught and kept a baby/young BSB thinking it was something else which according to the DFG netted that fisherman a minimum of a $3k fine and could go upwards of $10k depending on other circumstances When in doubt don't even bring it on board to remove the hook. If I can't absolutely ID a fish it won't ever leave the water

03-12-2016, 04:28 PM	#7
rossman Marginally Irrelevant Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bahia Asuncion Posts: 936	Nothing but a head shake from me. __________________ "When beholding the tranquil beauty and brilliancy of the ocean’s skin, one forgets the tiger heart that pants beneath it; and would not willingly remember that this velvet paw but conceals a remorseless fang. " — Herman Melville Y'all come see me now, hear!

03-12-2016, 05:42 PM	#9
Silbaugh4liberty Fishing Patriot Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,121	Really, someone here would do that? __________________

03-12-2016, 03:43 PM	#2
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	Those spots are tell tale. Bsb Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03-12-2016, 03:56 PM	#4
f'nsabiki Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 309	OP--I would delete this post if I were you.

03-12-2016, 04:00 PM	#5
Dave Legacy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Hacienda Heights, CA Posts: 427	BSB, no doubt about it.

03-12-2016, 06:37 PM	#10
ful-rac Emperor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buena Park Posts: 3,649	Purple spotted grouper! __________________ There's nothing colder than yesterday's hotdog.

03-12-2016, 06:45 PM	#11
DanaPT Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South OC Posts: 1,606	Remember when you did not know? I'm sure he won't do it again. Just realized there are two anglers. Hmmmm. Both guys not knowing ??????????????

03-12-2016, 07:35 PM	#12
summers in kuwait Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: East County San Diego Posts: 657	When uncertain, release. Please look at the regulations and check out the proper methods for cpr. A stringer is for retention and can damage the gils, thus lowering the chance of survival.

03-12-2016, 07:48 PM	#15
driftwood Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SAN DIEGO Posts: 1,086	That is an easy 24,000 dollar fine. This has all the makings of Nat Geo Wild justice realty show. Get your pop corn ready boys! Last edited by driftwood; 03-12-2016 at 07:57 PM.

03-12-2016, 08:05 PM	#17
Raskal311 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Santa Ana/Westminster Posts: 1,256	i got one of those out of Newport two weeks ago, first thought was grouper or some type of rock fish. Glad I let the little guy go. __________________ Kevin Yellow PA12

03-12-2016, 09:00 PM	#18
seascrambler Junior Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: valencia Posts: 14	tastes like bald eagle....

03-12-2016, 09:45 PM	#20
JohnnyC Junior Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 19	Jesus!! You guys sure do go hard on people on here. Not everyone is a professional, or educated on every species of fish. I'm new around here and this site has been my go to place to learn and prepare myself whenever I hit the water. I've never caught a bsb or wsb (never targeted these fish) and I rely heavily on post like this to learn so that I don't make the same mistakes. Therefore, I hate to see people become hesitant when posting threads like these. Makes me nervous thinking about posting my catches this season. Actually, makes me nervous posting this. Not here to stir things up, I just wanna fish Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from this thread