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bolocop · 02-29-2016, 12:24 PM

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...d-ocean-areas/

stevie951 · 02-29-2016, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bolocop

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...d-ocean-areas/

And the comment section is even worse! People are so un uneducated as to the Global Depletion of Fish stocks, then to go and Classify every Angler into the Category of, "those who help destroy marine life for sport."

These people should go to Asia, or go start a Whale Watchers show on Discovery Channel up again, shaking my head :/ Haha

Silbaugh4liberty · 02-29-2016, 06:55 PM

That's the Nanny state for you. This is the part the kills me.....

Of roughly 3,500 all citations issued annually, only a couple hundred are for violators of the protected areas. Fines for violating the rules of an MPA range from around $100 to $1,000 and can be treated like a traffic ticket or, in more serious cases, a misdemeanor charge.

Too bad they don't read the California Constitution once in a while.......

Section 25.
The people shall have the right to fish upon and from the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof, excepting upon lands set aside for fish hatcheries, and no land owned by the State shall ever be sold or transferred without reserving in the people the absolute right to fish thereupon; and no law shall ever be passed making it a crime for the people to enter upon the public lands within this State for the purpose of fishing in any water containing fish that have been planted therein by the State; provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season when and the conditions under which the different species of fish may be taken.

DFG rules are all Statutory in nature, which is how they get away with this crap.

Silbaugh4liberty · 02-29-2016, 07:05 PM

This is actually punishable for up to $250,000 for violation of Constitutional rights. I say if anyone gets a ticket, I'd take that shit to the house full force with a lawsuit.

Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the U.S.

This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race.

If you don't know your rights, then you don't have any.

baerclaws · 02-29-2016, 07:24 PM

If those folks have gas, time, etc. to cruise around "advising" people of the laws, I think their efforts would be better spent if they replaced those old reserve boundary markers that neither the DF&W nor the city want to be responsible for. Then we wouldn't have to tell fishermen unfamiliar with the area where they can legally fish.

FARRIER · 02-29-2016, 07:42 PM

There are many out there that could care less about mpas and bunk state/federal laws that deny people access to nature.

taggermike · 03-01-2016, 08:12 AM

So evidently we're drunken wily poachers that hate hippies. Who knew?

This citizen protrol idea came up right after the mlpa "debates" ended and the "good guys" realized there was no money for enforcement. I recall the idea didn't go over well with anglers.

Education and out reach sound ligit cause many anglers don't know laws or boundaries. But if it goes farther than that things could get ugly. These folks are not LEOs and have no authority what so ever. They may know less about the actual laws than the anglers do.

And from a kayak angler's prospective I think we're going to be forced to deal with these folks more than most other anglers. We're small and slow, will be looking up at them, we'll be close to shore, and concentrated in known areas like off LJ. We're the low hanging fruit. These folks arnt going to be running to Cat, the 43 fathom cow cod area, or off south IB when we're so much easier to find.

I dont have a GPS so what am I supposed to do if one of these "good guys" motors up n tells me I'm in a closed area? Crap I hope we don't have to deal with this harassment BS. Record all interactions for your own defence I suppose. Mike

Dave Legacy · 03-01-2016, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by taggermike

So evidently we're drunken wily poachers that hate hippies. Who knew?

I took notice of that too. Anti-hunting groups do the same thing depicting hunters as Elmer Fudd-types.

As far as proof of global positioning you could use an app on a smartphone. Navionics is only $10 if I remember correctly.

Batmann · 03-01-2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by taggermike

So evidently we're drunken wily poachers that hate hippies. Who knew?

This citizen protrol idea came up right after the mlpa "debates" ended and the "good guys" realized there was no money for enforcement. I recall the idea didn't go over well with anglers.

Education and out reach sound ligit cause many anglers don't know laws or boundaries. But if it goes farther than that things could get ugly. These folks are not LEOs and have no authority what so ever. They may know less about the actual laws than the anglers do.

And from a kayak angler's prospective I think we're going to be forced to deal with these folks more than most other anglers. We're small and slow, will be looking up at them, we'll be close to shore, and concentrated in known areas like off LJ. We're the low hanging fruit. These folks arnt going to be running to Cat, the 43 fathom cow cod area, or off south IB when we're so much easier to find.

I dont have a GPS so what am I supposed to do if one of these "good guys" motors up n tells me I'm in a closed area? Crap I hope we don't have to deal with this harassment BS. Record all interactions for your own defence I suppose. Mike

http://law.onecle.com/california/fish/2009.html

Step 1 turn on go pro

Step 2 notify them that they are impeding your ability to engage in lawful fishing. If they do not leave you alone go to step 3. If they do then continue fishing.

Step 3 Call in their hull number to the CG and the San Diego Harbor police on CH 12 as it is not an emergency.

Step 4 Report violation of above code and ask for LE assistance.

They can offer free advice all day long. Buy once you tell them they are interfering with your lawful ability to fish and they don't move it becomes problem.

Let's see how many "do gooders" will loan them their boats when they are all tied up in court.

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ronbo613 · 03-02-2016, 08:10 AM

It's California. Everybody sue everybody.

alanw · 03-02-2016, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty

Too bad they don't read the California Constitution once in a while.......

Section 25.
... any water containing fish that have been planted therein by the State;

I don't think the MPAs are "planted"

Silbaugh4liberty · 03-02-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by alanw

I don't think the MPAs are "planted"

Guess I should've made this part red instead:

"right to fish upon and from the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof"

You can't license a right and charge a fee for it, or make it a crime. Fishing on public lands is a right protected by the state constitution. There isn't any exceptions in there for MPA's. It only allows for the state to regulate the season and method of take via statute (which is what DFG regs are).

chris138 · 03-02-2016, 11:31 AM

Just start chucking jigs and beer bottles at them.

cabojohn · 03-02-2016, 01:41 PM

They would be mortified if they rolled up on me fishing!

Besides a bad case Tourette Syndrome... and a rather long criminal history...I'm a disgusting smelly fat ass with a gnarly rash and I generally kayak fish naked.

I eat my bait too.
They would prolly just leave me alone.

Dirty Curti · 03-02-2016, 03:00 PM

Note to self...DO NOT FISH WITH CABOJOHN!

katchfish · 03-02-2016, 03:14 PM

CaBroJohn,

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabojohn

They would be mortified if they rolled up on me fishing!

Besides a bad case Tourette Syndrome... and a rather long criminal history...I'm a disgusting smelly fat ass with a gnarly rash and I generally kayak fish naked.

I eat my bait too.
They would prolly just leave me alone.

You have to stop fishing with Zedlander

Zed · 03-02-2016, 03:18 PM

I said the rash would go away.

taggermike · 03-04-2016, 08:53 AM

I'm sure the "good guys" would fight it, but thanks to the wsb enhancement program so cal waters from SD to Santa Barbara have been stocked. Mike

Zed · 03-04-2016, 09:12 AM

Well hell, stripers were stocked too.

02-29-2016, 12:24 PM	#1
bolocop Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 332	Are you being watched? Read this... http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...d-ocean-areas/

02-29-2016, 06:55 PM	#3
Silbaugh4liberty Fishing Patriot Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,121	That's the Nanny state for you. This is the part the kills me..... Of roughly 3,500 all citations issued annually, only a couple hundred are for violators of the protected areas. Fines for violating the rules of an MPA range from around $100 to $1,000 and can be treated like a traffic ticket or, in more serious cases, a misdemeanor charge. Too bad they don't read the California Constitution once in a while....... Section 25. The people shall have the right to fish upon and from the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof, *excepting upon lands set aside for fish hatcheries, and no land owned by the State shall ever be sold or transferred without reserving in the people the absolute right to fish thereupon*; and no law shall ever be passed making it a crime for the people to enter upon the public lands within this State for the purpose of fishing in any water containing fish that have been planted therein by the State; provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season when and the conditions under which the different species of fish may be taken. DFG rules are all Statutory in nature, which is how they get away with this crap. __________________

02-29-2016, 07:05 PM	#4
Silbaugh4liberty Fishing Patriot Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,121	This is actually punishable for up to $250,000 for violation of Constitutional rights. I say if anyone gets a ticket, I'd take that shit to the house full force with a lawsuit. Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the U.S. This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race. If you don't know your rights, then you don't have any. __________________

02-29-2016, 07:42 PM	#6
FARRIER Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cmont [] Posts: 314	There are many out there that could care less about mpas and bunk state/federal laws that deny people access to nature. __________________ "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

03-02-2016, 08:10 AM	#10
ronbo613 Waterman At Large Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On the Water Posts: 199	It's California. Everybody sue everybody. __________________ Kayak Fishing Photos and Video

02-29-2016, 07:24 PM	#5
baerclaws Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 72	If those folks have gas, time, etc. to cruise around "advising" people of the laws, I think their efforts would be better spent if they replaced those old reserve boundary markers that neither the DF&W nor the city want to be responsible for. Then we wouldn't have to tell fishermen unfamiliar with the area where they can legally fish.

03-01-2016, 08:12 AM	#7
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	So evidently we're drunken wily poachers that hate hippies. Who knew? This citizen protrol idea came up right after the mlpa "debates" ended and the "good guys" realized there was no money for enforcement. I recall the idea didn't go over well with anglers. Education and out reach sound ligit cause many anglers don't know laws or boundaries. But if it goes farther than that things could get ugly. These folks are not LEOs and have no authority what so ever. They may know less about the actual laws than the anglers do. And from a kayak angler's prospective I think we're going to be forced to deal with these folks more than most other anglers. We're small and slow, will be looking up at them, we'll be close to shore, and concentrated in known areas like off LJ. We're the low hanging fruit. These folks arnt going to be running to Cat, the 43 fathom cow cod area, or off south IB when we're so much easier to find. I dont have a GPS so what am I supposed to do if one of these "good guys" motors up n tells me I'm in a closed area? Crap I hope we don't have to deal with this harassment BS. Record all interactions for your own defence I suppose. Mike

03-02-2016, 11:31 AM	#13
chris138 donkey roper Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pacific Beach Posts: 968	Just start chucking jigs and beer bottles at them.

03-02-2016, 03:00 PM	#15
Dirty Curti Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 419	Note to self...DO NOT FISH WITH CABOJOHN! __________________

03-02-2016, 03:18 PM	#17
Zed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: W of 5 Posts: 1,265	I said the rash would go away. __________________ Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he'll eat for a week.

03-04-2016, 08:53 AM	#18
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	I'm sure the "good guys" would fight it, but thanks to the wsb enhancement program so cal waters from SD to Santa Barbara have been stocked. Mike

03-04-2016, 09:12 AM	#19
Zed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: W of 5 Posts: 1,265	Well hell, stripers were stocked too. __________________ Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he'll eat for a week.