Rudder on prowler 15? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Fish · 06-13-2015, 03:16 PM

So I was looking into getting a rudder , my question is.

How much does it really help? Is it worth having?

I've never used a yak with a rudder so looking for some opinions.

rossman · 06-13-2015, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

So I was looking into getting a rudder , my question is.

How much does it really help? Is it worth having?

I've never used a yak with a rudder so looking for some opinions.

II guess my first question would be, how much have you paddled the prowler without the rudder and what do you feel a rudder would do to enhance that experience. I had Prowler for close to 10 years and found that hull to be the best tracking hull of any I have been on and on a drift, it would drift perfectly down wind. I like to keep things simple and the fewer moving parts the better. And if you buy the Hobie boat anglers argument that they can move around and leave both hands free for fishing and eating, then it would seen that you would need a third hand to handle a rudder on the prowler.. Having said that I have never paddled a kayak with a rudder so I may be missing something important.

driftwood · 06-13-2015, 04:45 PM

A rudder on a kayak helps you track straight on windy days. other than that, they're waste of time on a kayak.

Aznronin · 06-13-2015, 05:03 PM

Rudders for SoCal fishing are a waste of time. They are quite simply just extra weight, and one more thing to snag your line on. Don't do it.

alanw · 06-13-2015, 08:04 PM

I've never paddled a kayak with a rudder, but I think getting one would depend on how your boat tracks and if you do a lot of paddling in the wind.

Since I often go out in the afternoons when the wind picks up, I've occasionally had to paddle on only one side of my kayak for miles just to go in a semi-straight line because of strong wind, and I wish I had a rudder for those times. I'm not sure but I think a rudder may also be able to adjust your drift angle as well.

Fish · 06-13-2015, 09:59 PM

You guys have good points , I guess it really comes down to me trying one out but then again spending over 200 bucks for a rudder eek , that's a nice new rod or reel.

King Saba · 06-13-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

You guys have good points , I guess it really comes down to me trying one out but then again spending over 200 bucks for a rudder eek , that's a nice new rod or reel.

Maybe take the more inexpensive route and build one?

CheapPelican · 06-14-2015, 12:47 AM

It noticeably cuts down on the turning radius of long yaks which is nice fishing around slips and moored boats. Saves you from having to take an extra stroke on your leeward side when paddling perpendicular to the wind. Can be used as a kelp anchor.

Its a luxury, kinda like having cruise control. You can get from point A to B without it, but if you ever don't have it you'll remember how nice it was when you did. I think they are awesome.

I still have my x13 if you want to borrow it see what difference It makes.

Saba Slayer · 06-14-2015, 07:32 AM

When I was with the Ocean Kayak Fish Team I really liked having a rudder on my Trident...it made paddling much easier...no more gorilla arm as you paddle along the wind and end up paddling on one side to counteract the turning effect of the wind. I'd get one even if you only end up using it when the wind is up.

Fish · 06-14-2015, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by King Saba

Maybe take the more inexpensive route and build one?

like build one with out the turning cables,so its always straight? i could def do that.

Fish · 06-14-2015, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

When I was with the Ocean Kayak Fish Team I really liked having a rudder on my Trident...it made paddling much easier...no more gorilla arm as you paddle along the wind and end up paddling on one side to counteract the turning effect of the wind. I'd get one even if you only end up using it when the wind is up.

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Originally Posted by CheapPelican

It noticeably cuts down on the turning radius of long yaks which is nice fishing around slips and moored boats. Saves you from having to take an extra stroke on your leeward side when paddling perpendicular to the wind. Can be used as a kelp anchor.

Its a luxury, kinda like having cruise control. You can get from point A to B without it, but if you ever don't have it you'll remember how nice it was when you did. I think they are awesome.

I still have my x13 if you want to borrow it see what difference It makes

I've experienced that one side paddle on really crappy wind days if it helps that then maybe it would be worth it to me , also guys lets just admit they look bad ass haha

Jimmyz123 · 06-15-2015, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

So I was looking into getting a rudder , my question is.

How much does it really help? Is it worth having?

I've never used a yak with a rudder so looking for some opinions.

I had a prowler 15 with a Rudder on it. For the price of buying one and installing it, I wouldn't recommend it. As others mentioned they are great for getting line snagged on, kelp, and anything else floating. If it's windy sure they help but if the Kayak doesn't have one, I would install one.

makobob · 06-15-2015, 11:39 AM

So go to OEX and ask them, tell them what you are thinking about, they might just have a yak with rudder you could try. Then you can make an informed decision. Good luck.

easyday · 06-15-2015, 12:22 PM

I had a rudder on my tarpon 160 and I loved it. I currently have a rudder on my thresher 155 I can honestly say I won't own a kayak over 12 feet w/o a rudder again. there are way more PROS than cons to having a rudder on the yak. You don't have to paddle on one side when in heavy wind and it really helps turn the kayak with little effort. As for the hands free argument, the wilderness systems kayaks with a rudder installed you use your feet to control the rudder, I assume it would be the same for paddle kayaks.

Fish · 06-15-2015, 02:12 PM

yea the prowlers have he foot controls aswell $299 tho =(

theluckypig · 06-15-2015, 05:09 PM

i have a rudder on my trident ultra 4.7 and love it.... it took me a year before i ever used it, but now i would highly recommend having a rudder... it makes a difference...

previously, i had a trident 15, and 13, and prowler 15... i never had a rudder on any of them and had absolutely no concerns about needing a rudder... they track great.

i guess the point is that ignorance is bliss... the prowlers track great, a rudder takes it to a next level... if cost is an issue, i'd go without...

my 2 cents...

06-13-2015, 03:16 PM	#1
Fish Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Riverside CA Posts: 113	Rudder on prowler 15? So I was looking into getting a rudder , my question is. How much does it really help? Is it worth having? I've never used a yak with a rudder so looking for some opinions. __________________

06-13-2015, 08:04 PM	#5
alanw Made in U.S.A. Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dana Point Posts: 1,625	I've never paddled a kayak with a rudder, but I think getting one would depend on how your boat tracks and if you do a lot of paddling in the wind. Since I often go out in the afternoons when the wind picks up, I've occasionally had to paddle on only one side of my kayak for miles just to go in a semi-straight line because of strong wind, and I wish I had a rudder for those times. I'm not sure but I think a rudder may also be able to adjust your drift angle as well. __________________ Hobie PA 14 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Jackson Kraken ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu X-Factor ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu Stealth-12 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Its not a spelling B its a fishing B ~yakjoe

06-13-2015, 09:59 PM	#6
Fish Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Riverside CA Posts: 113	You guys have good points , I guess it really comes down to me trying one out but then again spending over 200 bucks for a rudder eek , that's a nice new rod or reel. __________________

06-14-2015, 12:47 AM	#8
CheapPelican Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Too far from the launch. Posts: 443	It noticeably cuts down on the turning radius of long yaks which is nice fishing around slips and moored boats. Saves you from having to take an extra stroke on your leeward side when paddling perpendicular to the wind. Can be used as a kelp anchor. Its a luxury, kinda like having cruise control. You can get from point A to B without it, but if you ever don't have it you'll remember how nice it was when you did. I think they are awesome. I still have my x13 if you want to borrow it see what difference It makes. __________________

06-14-2015, 07:32 AM	#9
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,857	rudder When I was with the Ocean Kayak Fish Team I really liked having a rudder on my Trident...it made paddling much easier...no more gorilla arm as you paddle along the wind and end up paddling on one side to counteract the turning effect of the wind. I'd get one even if you only end up using it when the wind is up. __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

06-13-2015, 04:45 PM	#3
driftwood Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SAN DIEGO Posts: 1,086	A rudder on a kayak helps you track straight on windy days. other than that, they're waste of time on a kayak.

06-13-2015, 05:03 PM	#4
Aznronin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Sfv Posts: 147	Rudders for SoCal fishing are a waste of time. They are quite simply just extra weight, and one more thing to snag your line on. Don't do it.

06-15-2015, 11:39 AM	#13
makobob Baitless on Baja Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vista California, Gonzaga, San Quintin, Asuncion, Mag Bay Posts: 4,250	So go to OEX and ask them, tell them what you are thinking about, they might just have a yak with rudder you could try. Then you can make an informed decision. Good luck. __________________ http://www.mako-ville.com Home 760-630-4470 Cell 760-520-2514 YES YOU CAN

06-15-2015, 12:22 PM	#14
easyday Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Oceanside Posts: 1,470	I had a rudder on my tarpon 160 and I loved it. I currently have a rudder on my thresher 155 I can honestly say I won't own a kayak over 12 feet w/o a rudder again. there are way more PROS than cons to having a rudder on the yak. You don't have to paddle on one side when in heavy wind and it really helps turn the kayak with little effort. As for the hands free argument, the wilderness systems kayaks with a rudder installed you use your feet to control the rudder, I assume it would be the same for paddle kayaks. __________________

06-15-2015, 02:12 PM	#15
Fish Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Riverside CA Posts: 113	yea the prowlers have he foot controls aswell $299 tho =( __________________

06-15-2015, 05:09 PM	#16
theluckypig Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: San Pedro Posts: 694	i have a rudder on my trident ultra 4.7 and love it.... it took me a year before i ever used it, but now i would highly recommend having a rudder... it makes a difference... previously, i had a trident 15, and 13, and prowler 15... i never had a rudder on any of them and had absolutely no concerns about needing a rudder... they track great. i guess the point is that ignorance is bliss... the prowlers track great, a rudder takes it to a next level... if cost is an issue, i'd go without... my 2 cents...