mother-ship idea - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Sdspeed · 12-18-2012, 02:39 PM

It looks like I may not be able to use a kayak to fish due to back issues. So i found this 18" center console with an economical outboard on it,bait tank,ice chest, gps/ff etc. what i was thinking was if i constructed padded racks to hang above the water line on each side to support a kayak and perhaps carry 1 more in the boat would it possible that the guys could get in and out of their kayaks without going swimming. That way i could stay on the boat and enjoy the fishing and company and the adventurous kayaker could go further out, fish and put the kayak back on-board and ride back to shore bragging about the one that got away !

would it work?

jorluivil · 12-18-2012, 03:56 PM

Unless you're planning on moving at 5kts the racks will have to be made out of something other than PVC. I don't think that hanging the racks on the port and starboard side will be able to support the kayak(s), the amount of force that is put on a boat when the bow hits a water will be to much for the pvc and there is a very good chance it will break. It would probably be a better idea to sell all your kayak gear and invest in a new tower for the boat.

Sdspeed · 12-18-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

Unless you're planning on moving at 5kts the racks will have to be made out of something other than PVC. I don't think that hanging the racks on the port and starboard side will be able to support the kayak(s), the amount of force that is put on a boat when the bow hits a water will be to much for the pvc and there is a very good chance it will break. It would probably be a better idea to sell all your kayak gear and invest in a new tower for the boat.

who said anything about PVC.

Mongo Johnson · 12-18-2012, 04:42 PM

27' Carolina Skiff -- The Kayak Mother Ship
Comfortable Seating for Six

Fully Coast Guard Equipped
Live Well
Motor Jack Plate for Shallow and Deep Water Fishing -- Runs in 12" Fully Loaded
GPS
VHF Marine Radio
Cellular Phone
Bimini Top for Shade
Iced Coolers and Island Music FM Stereo/CD!
Recommended for up to Six Anglers -- Bring the Whole Family
2 Hot Spiced deck girls optional

Sdspeed · 12-18-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mongo Johnson

27' Carolina Skiff -- The Kayak Mother Ship
Comfortable Seating for Six

Fully Coast Guard Equipped
Live Well
Motor Jack Plate for Shallow and Deep Water Fishing -- Runs in 12" Fully Loaded
GPS
VHF Marine Radio
Cellular Phone
Bimini Top for Shade
Iced Coolers and Island Music FM Stereo/CD!
Recommended for up to Six Anglers -- Bring the Whole Family
2 Hot Spiced deck girls optional

see this wasn't that tough of question

Biggameaddict · 12-18-2012, 04:58 PM

You can tie the yaks down on the side of the boat if theres room.or lay em flat on the ground.

jorluivil · 12-18-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

Unless you're planning on moving at 5kts the racks will have to be made out of something other than PVC. I don't think that hanging the racks on the port and starboard side will be able to support the kayak(s), the amount of force that is put on a boat when the bow hits a water will be to much for the pvc and there is a very good chance it will break. It would probably be a better idea to sell all your kayak gear and invest in a new tower for the boat.

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Originally Posted by Sdspeed

who said anything about PVC.

No one said it was, I was simply implying that you should make it out of something other than PVC. But what do I know about how a boat works, I've never owned.

or have I

jorluivil · 12-18-2012, 05:06 PM

OK, all kidding aside. If you're planning on heading out in open water hanging them off the side regardless of whether you use aluminum or not will cause to much of a strain on the rack and the boat. I was a private boater for roughly six years, I know what it's like to be on a boat that is constantly pounding waves, crossing the Catalina Channel at 2pm is no joke. If my feet and boat took a beating from the constant pounding of the boat I can't imagine what kind of strain you would be putting on a rack that hangs over the side. I would recommend you just strap them to the bow, tow them or lean them on either side of the boat.

bus kid · 12-18-2012, 05:09 PM

Its a good idea but unless you only plan on 4 people fishing you better get a bigger boat. The weight of kayaks, racks and anglers is going to be a issue for a 18 foot boat.

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Originally Posted by jorluivil

But what do I know about how a boat works, I've never owned.

or have I

Sdspeed · 12-18-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bus kid

Its a good idea but unless you only plan on 4 people fishing you better get a bigger boat. The weight of kayaks, racks and anglers is going to be a issue for a 18 foot boat.

Your right, I was just thinking me and 2 or 3 guys that want to fish from their kayaks. I was thinking of a rack that would most likely be resting on the gunnel not swinging from the side.

What I was wondering was can a angler get in and out of the kayak once your on site, I realize the Real Mothership uses a oversized swim step.

Just thought with a little engineering a few guys could go a little further out and I wouldn't have to fish alone. Not looking to start a business. just more Fun!

dorado50 · 12-18-2012, 06:44 PM

sounds like a million dollar idea to me....(why didn't I think of that!).you wil probably be booked 24/7

Sdspeed · 12-18-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dorado50

sounds like a million dollar idea to me....(why didn't I think of that!).you wil probably be booked 24/7

I wish I hadn't sold my 30' Sport Fisher

bus kid · 12-18-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdspeed

Just thought with a little engineering a few guys could go a little further out and I wouldn't have to fish alone. Not looking to start a business. just more Fun!

I'm in. Worst case we flip or sink, nothing I haven't done on my own.

Sdspeed · 12-18-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bus kid

I'm in. Worst case we flip or sink, nothing I haven't done on my own.

well if you could transport 2 or 3 kayaks out a ways, could the angler get in and out of it without the big extended swim step like on very large boats?

maybe a small swimstep on the back that they could use once their kayak is floating on it's own?

I'd even slow the boat down

bus kid · 12-18-2012, 07:12 PM

With 3 guys getting in and out of the yaks should be a prob. I have taken mine out on a friends boat over this summer to Cat and even the women and children were able to climb over the side to get in and out of the yak one or two of us would hold it while they boarded and a small shove and they were off coming in same thing but we had to lift the smaller kids.

Sdspeed · 12-18-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bus kid

With 3 guys getting in and out of the yaks should be a prob. I have taken mine out on a friends boat over this summer to Cat and even the women and children were able to climb over the side to get in and out of the yak one or two of us would hold it while they boarded and a small shove and they were off coming in same thing but we had to lift the smaller kids.

well i think it could work with enough input, i have the resources available to build most anything but if i spend big money on a fancy boat it will end up being like my last one, a floating bar tied up to the dock

MrPatrick · 12-18-2012, 07:46 PM

I would suggest that you maintain a max size limit on the yaks. Mini-x, trident 11, scrambler etc. This will allow you more room to get around the boat and will be safer to get in and off the water. Hmmmmmm...... I have two mini-x's.

Mackerel Masher · 12-20-2012, 11:10 AM

Just a thought here... if you can't kayak fish due to back issues a 18' CC is exactly the last thing you want to get on. I've had the shit kicked outta me on my 23' plenty of times and it's a heavy ass boat.

Also I don't think it's going to be big enough with three anglers and two boats. As mentioned by another poster, racks would have to be beefy to sustain the pounding but also not rip the gunwale of the boat when you get douched by some a-hole's wake.

Here is my rig with two BWE members PA14s when we went to the 'nados. Sucked on the way out becuase I really couldn't see well to port. On the ride back we just stuck both PAs over the transom with the bows on the bait tank. Worked way better but didn't have much room and couldn't take leak over the side.

I'd say something like my 23' or a Skipjack 24 minimum. Just for the sake of your back man. Heavy is good when it's full Victory at Sea and you're down at the 1010.

Anyhew... my $.02

Deamon · 12-20-2012, 12:30 PM

Seems obvious the reason to do this would be to help share your fuel costs but I'd have to think a % of your time will be babysitting and taking on some liability. Yaks in or on the side of a boat loaded would require fairly good conditions both ways or stuff will get damaged (most guys want to get home as quickly as possible).

How far in distance would you leave (2) yak fisherman if the bird school's moving 5 knots up the line? I don't know how much shit I've broken up pounding after a school or even just riding home against a cross swell.

You can pretty much give up paddie hopping, chasing bird schools, putting out a pattern of jigs, stopping on a meter mark...might as well handcuff yourself if you're real intention is to put a bend in your rod...

Sdspeed · 12-20-2012, 01:08 PM

Skipjack or something simuliar to fish and save my back, works for me!
if my Doc's do their job I may get to kayak but if not I'm gonna think of a way to enjoy the sport and share the fun in the process.
I wouldn't tax the few gray cells on this site if I didn't think it could be done.
I'm making a list of the nay sayers!

12-18-2012, 03:56 PM	#2
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	Unless you're planning on moving at 5kts the racks will have to be made out of something other than PVC. I don't think that hanging the racks on the port and starboard side will be able to support the kayak(s), the amount of force that is put on a boat when the bow hits a water will be to much for the pvc and there is a very good chance it will break. It would probably be a better idea to sell all your kayak gear and invest in a new tower for the boat. __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

12-18-2012, 04:42 PM	#4
Mongo Johnson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Long Beach Posts: 192	Alternate Mo' ship 27' Carolina Skiff -- The Kayak Mother Ship Comfortable Seating for Six Fully Coast Guard Equipped Live Well Motor Jack Plate for Shallow and Deep Water Fishing -- Runs in 12" Fully Loaded GPS VHF Marine Radio Cellular Phone Bimini Top for Shade Iced Coolers and Island Music FM Stereo/CD! Recommended for up to Six Anglers -- Bring the Whole Family 2 Hot Spiced deck girls optional __________________ A day on the water . . . priceless.

12-18-2012, 04:58 PM	#6
Biggameaddict The Kayak Peddler Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Hollywood Posts: 591	You can tie the yaks down on the side of the boat if theres room.or lay em flat on the ground. __________________ Keep your rod close, your gaff closer, and your paddle on a leash.

12-18-2012, 05:06 PM	#8
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	OK, all kidding aside. If you're planning on heading out in open water hanging them off the side regardless of whether you use aluminum or not will cause to much of a strain on the rack and the boat. I was a private boater for roughly six years, I know what it's like to be on a boat that is constantly pounding waves, crossing the Catalina Channel at 2pm is no joke. If my feet and boat took a beating from the constant pounding of the boat I can't imagine what kind of strain you would be putting on a rack that hangs over the side. I would recommend you just strap them to the bow, tow them or lean them on either side of the boat. __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

12-18-2012, 07:12 PM	#15
bus kid Team Keine Zugehörigkeit Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Way out there Posts: 2,854	With 3 guys getting in and out of the yaks should be a prob. I have taken mine out on a friends boat over this summer to Cat and even the women and children were able to climb over the side to get in and out of the yak one or two of us would hold it while they boarded and a small shove and they were off coming in same thing but we had to lift the smaller kids. __________________ Não alimente os trolls------------Don't feed the trolls---------------インタネット荒らしを無視しろ

12-18-2012, 06:44 PM	#11
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	sounds like a million dollar idea to me....(why didn't I think of that!).you wil probably be booked 24/7

12-18-2012, 07:46 PM	#17
MrPatrick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Waiting to launch Posts: 1,381	Mother ship I would suggest that you maintain a max size limit on the yaks. Mini-x, trident 11, scrambler etc. This will allow you more room to get around the boat and will be safer to get in and off the water. Hmmmmmm...... I have two mini-x's.

12-20-2012, 11:10 AM	#18
Mackerel Masher Junior Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 19	Just a thought here... if you can't kayak fish due to back issues a 18' CC is exactly the last thing you want to get on. I've had the shit kicked outta me on my 23' plenty of times and it's a heavy ass boat. Also I don't think it's going to be big enough with three anglers and two boats. As mentioned by another poster, racks would have to be beefy to sustain the pounding but also not rip the gunwale of the boat when you get douched by some a-hole's wake. Here is my rig with two BWE members PA14s when we went to the 'nados. Sucked on the way out becuase I really couldn't see well to port. On the ride back we just stuck both PAs over the transom with the bows on the bait tank. Worked way better but didn't have much room and couldn't take leak over the side. I'd say something like my 23' or a Skipjack 24 minimum. Just for the sake of your back man. Heavy is good when it's full Victory at Sea and you're down at the 1010. Anyhew... my $.02 __________________ Allan C. P.E.T.A MEMBER Portagee Euthanizing Terrified Albacore *Hamachi Girl* 1981 23' Albacore Special *Mackerel Masher* Hobie Outback

12-20-2012, 12:30 PM	#19
Deamon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,972	Seems obvious the reason to do this would be to help share your fuel costs but I'd have to think a % of your time will be babysitting and taking on some liability. Yaks in or on the side of a boat loaded would require fairly good conditions both ways or stuff will get damaged (most guys want to get home as quickly as possible). How far in distance would you leave (2) yak fisherman if the bird school's moving 5 knots up the line? I don't know how much shit I've broken up pounding after a school or even just riding home against a cross swell. You can pretty much give up paddie hopping, chasing bird schools, putting out a pattern of jigs, stopping on a meter mark...might as well handcuff yourself if you're real intention is to put a bend in your rod...

12-20-2012, 01:08 PM	#20
Sdspeed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 732	Skipjack or something simuliar to fish and save my back, works for me! if my Doc's do their job I may get to kayak but if not I'm gonna think of a way to enjoy the sport and share the fun in the process. I wouldn't tax the few gray cells on this site if I didn't think it could be done. I'm making a list of the nay sayers!