Bait reel rec? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

andrewtp · 07-09-2012, 12:45 PM

Looking to spend under $200 for a YT/thresher/wsb setup for bait/jig toThinking of getting a saltist older model- heard lots of good things about their build quality and internal parts. Guy at turners was saying they were built as well as shimanos higher end model... Any others I should consider in that price point?

Thanks

YakMedic · 07-09-2012, 02:14 PM

My opinion is you can't find a more kayak friendly reel than a daiwa sealine. The 40 size has awesome height to width spool size for amazing casting. Plus they have enough power to tug in a tanker. Plus they price in under your range so you can afford spooling it with spectra.

467echo · 07-09-2012, 03:11 PM

+1 on the Saltist. I like the 40!

HatterasCast · 07-09-2012, 05:31 PM

This would be a great reel for what you want to do: http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...679#post124679

andrewtp · 07-09-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YakMedic

My opinion is you can't find a more kayak friendly reel than a daiwa sealine. The 40 size has awesome height to width spool size for amazing casting. Plus they have enough power to tug in a tanker. Plus they price in under your range so you can afford spooling it with spectra.

I've got a Sealine 20 I've had for years, good lil reel. Just want somethin a lil better. What's the consensus on the newer Daiwa lever drag 2spds? Would be nice to have that low gear ratio for irons.

YakMedic · 07-09-2012, 10:20 PM

2 speeds are overkill on a kayak, but its your call. You really can't go wrong with a saltist 35 or 40 size.

Billy V · 07-09-2012, 10:54 PM

The Old Silver Saltist 40 (Star Drag) in 4.9:1 gear ratio is the one you want.
If you install a set of $15 carbotex drag washers, its as good as it gets.

They are strong, and easy to service. The bearings can be changed out without having to use any tools (unlike the new ones).

-They are made better than the new black ones in my opinion. The spool axle is thicker than the new black models, and its not crossed drilled creating a potential weak spot. Plus you can get the low gear ratio on the Old Silver Model (the new black ones are all 6.4:1)

The cross drilled axle pin that retains the spool bearing can develop some corrosion. Then you must use a press pin tool to remove the retaining pin - because if you pound it out with the wrong tool you can bend the spool axle.
-Then you will develop a wobble in the spool.

If you find a used Silver Model buy it. The silver paint does tend to scratch, but who cares they are battle scars.

I own 13 of them.
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The Sealine 40 HA in 4.9:1 is another good choice for live bait. They are damn tough reels, and will survive the kayak environment better than most any reel.
-If you pack/and surround the outside handle bearing with grease its bulletproof.

On Sale Cheap @ Charkbait San Diego right now. Its an unadvertised IN Store Special, call Mike and tell him your from BWE.

CheapPelican · 07-10-2012, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewtp

Looking to spend under $200 for a YT/thresher/wsb setup for bait/jig toThinking of getting a saltist older model- heard lots of good things about their build quality and internal parts. Guy at turners was saying they were built as well as shimanos higher end model... Any others I should consider in that price point?

Thanks

www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=10704

Dave k · 07-10-2012, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewtp

I've got a Sealine 20 I've had for years, good lil reel. Just want somethin a lil better. What's the consensus on the newer Daiwa lever drag 2spds? Would be nice to have that low gear ratio for irons.

The 2 speed is a little overkill for the yak, but with that said, I have the 35 2 Speed and love it. I have also dropped down to low gear also a couple times trying to pull a fish out of the kelp... and it has helped. I also have the 30 single speed. Both bad ass reels and I love them. I also like the lever drag vs star drag for fishing bait. If I were adding to my arsenal, I wouldn't hesitate to get another saltist.

FARRIER · 07-10-2012, 08:25 AM

I love my saltist! But I also love my sealine which i took tuna fishing and after the carbontex drag upgrade it had buttery smooth drag! i reeled up some footballs no problem. Just because the sealine is cheap; does not mean it isn't a great reel. But I lean towards the saltist.

Billy V · 07-10-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FARRIER

I love my saltist! But I also love my sealine which i took tuna fishing and after the carbontex drag upgrade it had buttery smooth drag! i reeled up some footballs no problem. Just because the sealine is cheap; does not mean it isn't a great reel. But I lean towards the saltist.

I think most of us started with the Sealine 40 because of the affordability, then we quickly found out how good of a reel it was ! I always have one with me on the boat or kayak.
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- andrewtp -
I spoke with Mike this morning about the special sale price on the Sealine. He said, although the sale ended on Sunday he would honor the price if you were interested.

No pressure if you aren't interested - but I will PM you the price.

LexLutheran · 07-10-2012, 11:13 AM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Aver MXC or MXJ. At the price point I don't think there is a better reel. Level drag, with a bait runner setting, clicker, Strong drag that doesnt need upgrading out of the box, and an incredible free spool. I have one on my Seeker 270-8H, and I could not imagine a better bait set up. 50lb braid with a 20lb flouro top shot and you are ready for anything in so-cal coastal waters and most others beyond. I have had a couple of the older deadlines and they are fantastic reels, but I am very impressed with Avet.

Billy V · 07-10-2012, 11:23 AM

They are great reels, but don't fair well in the kayak environment where a reel is subjected to saltwater baths.

The spool bearings are open and saltwater will enter too easily. Also, the drag washer will collect salt crystals and swell - causing your drag setting to vary. The anti reverse dog sometimes gets caked up with salt crystals causing it to stop working (until you clean it out)

These only happen when its exposed to surf launches and landing - and salt water baths, as in general kayak use.

They work good on boats though.

taggermike · 07-10-2012, 12:43 PM

The Saltist would be a great reel for local bait fishing. Like Billy mentioned the lower gear ratio are the ones you want I don't really follow the "high speed" reel trend that has been and continues to dominate reel design. Maybe speed helps in yo-yo fishing, but how fast do you need to wind a bait in. I'd rather just turn the handel a bit faster. The lower gears give you more cranking power. I wish there was a 4:1 or even a 3.5:1 in a sealine or saltist. Also I have found the Daiwa reels have a rather stiff clicker. I like this to hold larger macks so you don't have to listen to your clicker buzzing and chirping the whole time you're trolling. Mike

andrewtp · 07-10-2012, 09:18 PM

Great info here

07-09-2012, 12:45 PM	#1
andrewtp Awesome Possum Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Riverside Posts: 187	Bait reel rec? Looking to spend under $200 for a YT/thresher/wsb setup for bait/jig toThinking of getting a saltist older model- heard lots of good things about their build quality and internal parts. Guy at turners was saying they were built as well as shimanos higher end model... Any others I should consider in that price point? Thanks

07-09-2012, 03:11 PM	#3
467echo Rookie of the Month Club Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mira Mesa Posts: 483	+1 on the Saltist. I like the 40! __________________ they are getting bigger....

07-09-2012, 10:54 PM	#7
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	The Old Silver Saltist 40 (Star Drag) in 4.9:1 gear ratio is the one you want. If you install a set of $15 carbotex drag washers, its as good as it gets. They are strong, and easy to service. The bearings can be changed out without having to use any tools (unlike the new ones). -They are made better than the new black ones in my opinion. The spool axle is thicker than the new black models, and its not crossed drilled creating a potential weak spot. Plus you can get the low gear ratio on the Old Silver Model (the new black ones are all 6.4:1) The cross drilled axle pin that retains the spool bearing can develop some corrosion. Then you must use a press pin tool to remove the retaining pin - because if you pound it out with the wrong tool you can bend the spool axle. -Then you will develop a wobble in the spool. If you find a used Silver Model buy it. The silver paint does tend to scratch, but who cares they are battle scars. I own 13 of them. ---------------------------------------------------- The Sealine 40 HA in 4.9:1 is another good choice for live bait. They are damn tough reels, and will survive the kayak environment better than most any reel. -If you pack/and surround the outside handle bearing with grease its bulletproof. On Sale Cheap @ Charkbait San Diego right now. Its an unadvertised IN Store Special, call Mike and tell him your from BWE. __________________ Last edited by Billy V; 07-09-2012 at 11:20 PM.

07-10-2012, 08:25 AM	#10
FARRIER Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cmont [] Posts: 314	I love my saltist! But I also love my sealine which i took tuna fishing and after the carbontex drag upgrade it had buttery smooth drag! i reeled up some footballs no problem. Just because the sealine is cheap; does not mean it isn't a great reel. But I lean towards the saltist. __________________ "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

07-10-2012, 11:23 AM	#13
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	They are great reels, but don't fair well in the kayak environment where a reel is subjected to saltwater baths. The spool bearings are open and saltwater will enter too easily. Also, the drag washer will collect salt crystals and swell - causing your drag setting to vary. The anti reverse dog sometimes gets caked up with salt crystals causing it to stop working (until you clean it out) These only happen when its exposed to surf launches and landing - and salt water baths, as in general kayak use. They work good on boats though. __________________

07-09-2012, 02:14 PM	#2
YakMedic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wrightwood Posts: 623	My opinion is you can't find a more kayak friendly reel than a daiwa sealine. The 40 size has awesome height to width spool size for amazing casting. Plus they have enough power to tug in a tanker. Plus they price in under your range so you can afford spooling it with spectra.

07-09-2012, 05:31 PM	#4
HatterasCast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Eastvale Posts: 94	This would be a great reel for what you want to do: http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...679#post124679

07-09-2012, 10:20 PM	#6
YakMedic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wrightwood Posts: 623	2 speeds are overkill on a kayak, but its your call. You really can't go wrong with a saltist 35 or 40 size.

07-10-2012, 11:13 AM	#12
LexLutheran Lurker Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 12	I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Aver MXC or MXJ. At the price point I don't think there is a better reel. Level drag, with a bait runner setting, clicker, Strong drag that doesnt need upgrading out of the box, and an incredible free spool. I have one on my Seeker 270-8H, and I could not imagine a better bait set up. 50lb braid with a 20lb flouro top shot and you are ready for anything in so-cal coastal waters and most others beyond. I have had a couple of the older deadlines and they are fantastic reels, but I am very impressed with Avet.

07-10-2012, 12:43 PM	#14
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	The Saltist would be a great reel for local bait fishing. Like Billy mentioned the lower gear ratio are the ones you want I don't really follow the "high speed" reel trend that has been and continues to dominate reel design. Maybe speed helps in yo-yo fishing, but how fast do you need to wind a bait in. I'd rather just turn the handel a bit faster. The lower gears give you more cranking power. I wish there was a 4:1 or even a 3.5:1 in a sealine or saltist. Also I have found the Daiwa reels have a rather stiff clicker. I like this to hold larger macks so you don't have to listen to your clicker buzzing and chirping the whole time you're trolling. Mike

07-10-2012, 09:18 PM	#15
andrewtp Awesome Possum Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Riverside Posts: 187	Great info here