Rotator Cuff Tear... - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

wade · 09-21-2011, 10:24 PM

After countless hours paddling, I think I may have done it..

I haven't gotten the official MRI yet, but the searing pain emanating from within my right arm socket is a direct indicator im afraid could lead to the sale of my beloved Prowler...Can anyone describe their symptoms if you have encountered the same tear?..

jorluivil · 09-21-2011, 10:27 PM

OUCH!!!

Time for a Hobie

wade · 09-21-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorluivil

OUCH!!!
Time for a Hobie

Exactly...

&

EXACTLY!...

The Kid · 09-21-2011, 11:47 PM

Tore my left rotator cuff. It stings really bad in one particular direction of movement. Weakness in that direction, loss in strength in the direction the tear occurs either pushing or pulling. Doesn't sound good Wade.

YakMedic · 09-22-2011, 03:42 AM

I've had my left shoulder surgically repaired twice. The symptoms common with both tears were.

-Pain with range of motion
-Pain with bearing of weight
-Popping sensation with movement of arm forward and back (I had to keep my hand in my pocket while walking to avoid this)
-Pain while sleeping due to shoulder realignment while lying for prolonged time

My first surgery was in 2000, and the MD recommended paddling excercises for therapy. I added the fishing pole myself

. Im a paddler, and I plan to stay that way as long as possible.

Good luck on your results

kareem korn · 09-22-2011, 05:21 AM

I had three repairs. Two on my right and one on my left. I'll fill you in on what I went thru when we hookup for the wraps.
-Tim-

Regor · 09-22-2011, 05:24 AM

Pain

....

Pain

...

....

Lingering pain

I've got a tear in my shoulder right now. Depending on the degree of the tear, meds and rest could get you over the hump, but if I know you... that won't work. Only your Doctor can tell you what to do based on exam. If you go in for an exam, they will probably start you off with Xrays (usually doesn't show anything). Try to request an "MRI with Contrast (Dye)". This is the best method to show tears.

Your young enough, the Dr may recommend surgery. When your around your 50's, it's a different story and the side effects of the surgery are not so nice - that is why I have gone the Hobie route. I have also had to limit some activities. Example - Racquetball with my 25 yr old son I place my shots instead of slamming it, hoopin - not so sure how I'll do this year - one night of hoopin turns into 2 days of ice on the shoulder. Even a 12 hour day of fishing on the Hobie brings pain just due to the fishing portion

Good luck to ya!

maui jim · 09-22-2011, 05:37 AM

I did not know there were so many old guys......

walrus · 09-22-2011, 06:07 AM

You can't be sure it's a tear until the doctor checks it out. For years I have had a lot of extreme shoulder pain (yeah, I'm working on my seventh decade of life) due to overuse which causes swelling in the shoulder joint. A shot of steroids fixes this up within hours. If this is the case, learning a new paddling technique may surprise you as to how well you feel at the end of the day.

When I started kayaking I thought this wasn't going to work until I learned how to paddle like they do in ocean kayaks. It took awhile to for it to feel natural, but now I no longer have shoulder problems even after padding all day. It takes some practice for it to feel natural, but before you know it you'll never go back to using your arms only.

Check it out, it may help you out. The tutorial is a animated video step by step. Paddling Basics.

http://kayakpaddling.net/

bigbarrels · 09-22-2011, 06:42 AM

hopefully it is just some rotator cuff tendonitis......MRI is the key to ruling out a tear......rotator cuff tendonitis is treated with rest, anti-inflammatories, and sometimes steroid injections into the joint......some people have arthritic changes to the underside of the acromion process that makes them more suseptible to rotator cuff tendonitis and or rotator cuff tears due to the arthritic changes impinging on the rotator cuff that slides under the acromion process......have it shaved down arthroscopically and the problem improves and/or goes away......if torn rotator cuff have it repaired........and buy a Hobie when you can.....just .02 from an ER guy

hope it feels better soon

sdfisher · 09-22-2011, 06:48 AM

man that sucks if it is a torn. paddling technique definitely can help, use your core/legs, your arms are there just to guide the paddle. Maybe a different type paddle could help resolve the pain. Look at greenland paddle. looks really weird but my dad had shoulder problems, he is a avid kayak surfer and he uses one for surfing and ocean kayaking and he doesn't have issues.

Iceman · 09-22-2011, 08:32 AM

I have had suspected tears in both my right and left. Last one was left arm and took a year of self therapy to heal. Alternating hot and cold on it. Ibuprofin for the swelling and pain. Searing pain with the wrong angle of movement as well as fast movements. Loss of sleep! Could not raise my hand much above my head and could not use that arm to wipe my .........nose. Paddling felt like I had hit the wall, very weak muscle. I am 99% as I feel what I would guess is scar tissue.

deepdvr · 09-22-2011, 08:37 AM

will solve your problems

The Kid · 09-22-2011, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deepdvr

will solve your problems

hahahaha

x2

ChefT · 09-22-2011, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deepdvr

will solve your problems

Deep Breaths.....

:sifon e:

and lots of

tacos....

6 pac reps of 12oz curls

Tandem Assassin · 09-22-2011, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deepdvr

will solve your problems

Smoke on the water..

PAL · 09-22-2011, 09:45 AM

Bummer. It comes with the territory. The amount of well-informed advice here is impressive - and sobering.

habanero · 09-22-2011, 10:33 AM

I am currently undergoing therapy for Rotator cuff syndrome and pass this advice: Don't ignore it or it will get worse. I'm sure the suggestion for pain relief works temperately but if treated in time with therapy, surgery can be avoided. Being a Hobie owner myself, I can only imagine what paddling can do to aggravate the situation. My problem stems from an old injury battling big surf that yanked my shoulder out of place, followed by subsequent long hours at the computer with bad posture. %$#$%^@ me up for a very long time!

StinkyMatt · 09-22-2011, 10:51 AM

Some people will do anything to buy themselves a new toy.

Wade, which Hobie are you eyeballing?

I like the "I hurt my shoulder" twist....

Seriously, hope this is not a major injury, we need a bug removal specialist on the water.

YakMedic · 09-22-2011, 10:53 AM

Regor nailed it... a contrast MRI is called an MR arthrogram. It shows much more than a MRI however it is usually the 3rd test ordered by a Doc. Xray-MRI-MR arthrogram

09-21-2011, 10:24 PM	#1
wade Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oceanside Posts: 1,214	Rotator Cuff Tear... After countless hours paddling, I think I may have done it.. I haven't gotten the official MRI yet, but the searing pain emanating from within my right arm socket is a direct indicator im afraid could lead to the sale of my beloved Prowler...Can anyone describe their symptoms if you have encountered the same tear?.. __________________

09-21-2011, 10:27 PM	#2
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,856	OUCH!!! Time for a Hobie __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

09-22-2011, 03:42 AM	#5
YakMedic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wrightwood Posts: 623	I've had my left shoulder surgically repaired twice. The symptoms common with both tears were. -Pain with range of motion -Pain with bearing of weight -Popping sensation with movement of arm forward and back (I had to keep my hand in my pocket while walking to avoid this) -Pain while sleeping due to shoulder realignment while lying for prolonged time My first surgery was in 2000, and the MD recommended paddling excercises for therapy. I added the fishing pole myself. Im a paddler, and I plan to stay that way as long as possible. Good luck on your results

09-22-2011, 05:37 AM	#8
maui jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cypress, CA Posts: 789	I did not know there were so many old guys...... __________________

09-22-2011, 06:42 AM	#10
bigbarrels Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vista Posts: 1,111	hopefully it is just some rotator cuff tendonitis......MRI is the key to ruling out a tear......rotator cuff tendonitis is treated with rest, anti-inflammatories, and sometimes steroid injections into the joint......some people have arthritic changes to the underside of the acromion process that makes them more suseptible to rotator cuff tendonitis and or rotator cuff tears due to the arthritic changes impinging on the rotator cuff that slides under the acromion process......have it shaved down arthroscopically and the problem improves and/or goes away......if torn rotator cuff have it repaired........and buy a Hobie when you can.....just .02 from an ER guy hope it feels better soon __________________ The shorter you are, the bigger your fish appear

09-21-2011, 11:47 PM	#4
The Kid Loves Surface Irons Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 455	Tore my left rotator cuff. It stings really bad in one particular direction of movement. Weakness in that direction, loss in strength in the direction the tear occurs either pushing or pulling. Doesn't sound good Wade.

09-22-2011, 05:21 AM	#6
kareem korn Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: C-bad Posts: 431	I had three repairs. Two on my right and one on my left. I'll fill you in on what I went thru when we hookup for the wraps. -Tim-

09-22-2011, 05:24 AM	#7
Regor Greg Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chula Vista, ca Posts: 509	Pain .... Pain ... .... Lingering pain I've got a tear in my shoulder right now. Depending on the degree of the tear, meds and rest could get you over the hump, but if I know you... that won't work. Only your Doctor can tell you what to do based on exam. If you go in for an exam, they will probably start you off with Xrays (usually doesn't show anything). Try to request an "MRI with Contrast (Dye)". This is the best method to show tears. Your young enough, the Dr may recommend surgery. When your around your 50's, it's a different story and the side effects of the surgery are not so nice - that is why I have gone the Hobie route. I have also had to limit some activities. Example - Racquetball with my 25 yr old son I place my shots instead of slamming it, hoopin - not so sure how I'll do this year - one night of hoopin turns into 2 days of ice on the shoulder. Even a 12 hour day of fishing on the Hobie brings pain just due to the fishing portion Good luck to ya!

09-22-2011, 06:07 AM	#9
walrus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baja fish camp Posts: 478	You can't be sure it's a tear until the doctor checks it out. For years I have had a lot of extreme shoulder pain (yeah, I'm working on my seventh decade of life) due to overuse which causes swelling in the shoulder joint. A shot of steroids fixes this up within hours. If this is the case, learning a new paddling technique may surprise you as to how well you feel at the end of the day. When I started kayaking I thought this wasn't going to work until I learned how to paddle like they do in ocean kayaks. It took awhile to for it to feel natural, but now I no longer have shoulder problems even after padding all day. It takes some practice for it to feel natural, but before you know it you'll never go back to using your arms only. Check it out, it may help you out. The tutorial is a animated video step by step. Paddling Basics. http://kayakpaddling.net/

09-22-2011, 06:48 AM	#11
sdfisher Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 179	man that sucks if it is a torn. paddling technique definitely can help, use your core/legs, your arms are there just to guide the paddle. Maybe a different type paddle could help resolve the pain. Look at greenland paddle. looks really weird but my dad had shoulder problems, he is a avid kayak surfer and he uses one for surfing and ocean kayaking and he doesn't have issues.

09-22-2011, 08:32 AM	#12
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	I have had suspected tears in both my right and left. Last one was left arm and took a year of self therapy to heal. Alternating hot and cold on it. Ibuprofin for the swelling and pain. Searing pain with the wrong angle of movement as well as fast movements. Loss of sleep! Could not raise my hand much above my head and could not use that arm to wipe my .........nose. Paddling felt like I had hit the wall, very weak muscle. I am 99% as I feel what I would guess is scar tissue. __________________

09-22-2011, 08:37 AM	#13
deepdvr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 591	will solve your problems

09-22-2011, 09:45 AM	#17
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Bummer. It comes with the territory. The amount of well-informed advice here is impressive - and sobering.

09-22-2011, 10:33 AM	#18
habanero Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SD Posts: 133	I am currently undergoing therapy for Rotator cuff syndrome and pass this advice: Don't ignore it or it will get worse. I'm sure the suggestion for pain relief works temperately but if treated in time with therapy, surgery can be avoided. Being a Hobie owner myself, I can only imagine what paddling can do to aggravate the situation. My problem stems from an old injury battling big surf that yanked my shoulder out of place, followed by subsequent long hours at the computer with bad posture. %$#$%^@ me up for a very long time!

09-22-2011, 10:51 AM	#19
StinkyMatt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Under a bridge Posts: 2,169	Fake injury Some people will do anything to buy themselves a new toy. Wade, which Hobie are you eyeballing? I like the "I hurt my shoulder" twist.... Seriously, hope this is not a major injury, we need a bug removal specialist on the water.

09-22-2011, 10:53 AM	#20
YakMedic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wrightwood Posts: 623	Regor nailed it... a contrast MRI is called an MR arthrogram. It shows much more than a MRI however it is usually the 3rd test ordered by a Doc. Xray-MRI-MR arthrogram

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