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03-08-2011, 03:16 PM | #21 |
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03-08-2011, 03:30 PM | #22 |
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The fish looked too big to be anchovies in the earlier pictures.
Turns out in this closeup you can see that they are actually mostly sardines.... This is really kind of a weird one. I used to live there and I have seen fishkills in the harbor before, but usually in the summer when the water is much warmer. They had a big one in 2005 but it was in July. The Authorities are saying it was oxygen depletion, but in the ocean that is usually associated with warm water and red tide, in this case the water is cool, and I haven't heard anything about red tide at Redondo and the water in the video looks clear of red tide. Basin 1 and 2 are the furthest from the inlet and they have the largest storm drains feeding into them. Lots of chemicals can deplete water of oxygen. It's interesting to note that it's mostly dead baitfish. That basin has a lot of spotties in it and other fish even halibut. Unlike dines they know the harbor well enough to swim out to get away from bad stuff in the water. Dines because the school up and swim together are more likely to get caught in a situation where something comes down the drain and then pollutes the water. If you look at the pics and vids... ...you can clearly see that all the fish are bunched up on one side of the basin. From the pics it looks like those fish died on the south side of the basin right in front of the storm drains on the north side. If I had to guess something came down the storm drain that depleted the oxygen in the water, the dines tried to escape and were pushed to the south side of the basin by the contaminate or the oxygen depletion it caused, and whatever it was it overwhelmed them and eventually killed the dines there. I've seen dines in there so thick you could practically walk on them and they did not die of oxygen depletion. The amount of bait the pictures show could not of used up all that oxygen on their own, it's actually a pretty normal amount of bait for that area. I'd say maybe some pool chemicals, lawn care stuff or something to do with maintaining the power plant that is right across the street, got into the water and killed the fish. Just my take though. I'll tell you guys one thing. I used to live on my boat in that harbor, and when it comes to politics and the City of Redondo Beach: business interests, and tourism always come first. If it came from the power plant or anyone else that might get in trouble, or if it might hurt the their tourism base the City would have no problem covering it up or pretending it's a natural phenomena rather than admit to a industrial accident or bad water discharge. Jim Last edited by Fiskadoro; 03-08-2011 at 04:09 PM. |
03-08-2011, 03:36 PM | #23 |
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Just like the Salton Sea...Brown Alge good...Green Alge bad....
Where's Sonny Bono when we need him.... It's gunna smell like the Salton Sea on a nice 90+ degree day
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03-08-2011, 04:04 PM | #25 | |
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Lot's of Chemicals can pull oxygen out of the water, I would say a oxygen level that is so depleted that it's at "almost zero" bis far from normal and more likely to be caused by something unnatural or chemical or at least more abnormal then just a lot of bait in the water. I mean if twenty people locked themselves in their garage with a running car the carbon monoxide could pull the oxygen levels in the garage down to "almost zero" but that would not mean they died a natural death, or that they died because the garage was too crowded, or that they would of died with or without the car running. The deal is basin 1 and 2 are not even closed in like a garage. The opening to the main harbor must be a hundred feet wide and ten feet deep, and there are several circulation pipes right in front of where the bait died that connect that basin to the next one over. Big tides, strong surge, and the wind blew like hell last night, that basin should of got plenty circulation in the last 24 hours. I'm just trying to point out that it's highly unlikely that in a relatively open harbor that oxygen levels would drop that low unless there is some major influence like red tide or chemicals involved. Jim Last edited by Fiskadoro; 03-08-2011 at 04:19 PM. |
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03-08-2011, 04:14 PM | #26 | |
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03-08-2011, 04:20 PM | #27 |
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They've determined such kills off the coast of Africa to have been caused by gas emissions from the seabed. Being that you guys are in a seismically active area, is there a chance that could have done it?
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That's true, but the seabed is being disturbed (generally from seismac or volcanic activity) and creating a chemical reaction; I don't see that happening here, at this time. |
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03-08-2011, 04:58 PM | #29 |
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I was down there this am. It was crazy. one side of the harbor, they were all dead. the other side all alive. They said there was no Oxygen. but all the other fish under the sardine's where swimming around just fine.
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03-08-2011, 07:38 PM | #30 |
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Wow...I've seen it at Salton Sea before, those pics are insane...
On a side note, I've found a solution, but I'm sure it will piss the phook out of Redondo...let's do a mass roundup of the seals in LJ, drop those bastages off, they will gorge themselves before the birds and the smell take over, and hope they never find their way home...just a thought...
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03-08-2011, 07:40 PM | #32 |
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warm water...good...too much bait bad...
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03-08-2011, 07:55 PM | #33 |
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03-10-2011, 07:55 PM | #34 |
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It must be the Urban Runoff, Outfall Pipes, and Excessive Coastal Development that was dumped from the mlpa.
Man -- that place is going to smell worse than Meg Caldwell's sweat pants.
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03-10-2011, 10:49 PM | #35 |
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I hear the Bonita fishing has picked up comensurately
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03-11-2011, 02:51 PM | #36 |
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any chance the the earthquake in japan killed the bait fish in harbors beach because of the plates releasing chemicals?
pressure being release from seismic activity? Last edited by wiredantz; 03-11-2011 at 06:21 PM. |
03-12-2011, 05:34 PM | #37 |
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Well, official word is now in, the cause was a very strong neurotoxin.
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03-12-2011, 06:05 PM | #38 | |
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I figured the official story was bullshit from the start, and though I thought it was probably chemical, Domoic acid was on my list. For those that do not know Domoic Acid ia the neurotoxin that causes amnesic shellfish poisoning. It Bioaccumilates so it builds up in the tissue of small fish like anchovies and sardines and then is absorbed and bioaccumlates in anything that eats them. When ingested by humans it acts as a neurotoxin causing memory loss, brain damage or even death. Basically anything that has been feeding on those sardines is now suspect and potentially dangerous to eat. That goes for Lobsters as well as fish so I would not eat anything that comes from Redondo harbor for a while. I'd also suggest to guys that took sardines home for hoop bait etc.. that they throw that stuff in the trash. You don't want to hoop with bait that is contaminated with a neurotoxin. Demoic acid is serious shit, it kills fish eating mammals every year, do not mess around with it. Don't be surprised if the City of Redondo plays this down, sticks to the original overcrowding story or basically acts like this is no big deal. Like I said earlier I used to live on my boat in that harbor, and when it comes to politics and the City of Redondo Beach: business interests, and tourism always come first. If it could negatively hurt the city, or cut into their tourism base the City would have no problem covering it up or pretending it's not dangerous or no big deal. Jim |
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03-12-2011, 07:49 PM | #39 | |
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MORE DEAD SARDINE
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I don't know about you guys but from now on, if i hear of more dead sardines I am going to connect this event with early signs of A MEGA QUAKE!!! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110312/...ico_fish_surge More dead Sardines in ACAPULCO!!!!!!!!!!! I will assume there is a fault line by Redondo Canyon which caused plankton in a toxic algea bloom to manifest and the small bait fish ate it and died. Last edited by wiredantz; 03-13-2011 at 08:01 PM. |
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03-14-2011, 10:14 AM | #40 | |
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USC scientists think they ate toxic algae before entering the harbor.
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