One more time - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 05:48 PM

We need everyone at the BRTF meeting November 10th.

The sky is falling again.

All kidding aside, this will be the meeting the BRTF recommends the prefered map of closures. In the other finished regions, every time the BRTF recommends a map, it gets approved. They were supposed to decide October 22, but ran out of time. Now they will decide on November 10th.

There will be a public comment session at the BRTF meeting on November 10th.

. Don't know what time public comment will be.

November 10, 2009
9:30 a.m.
Sheraton Gateway Hotel
6101 West Century Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90045

Originally there wasn't going to be one. They are going to go based on precedent. After they make a motion on the FINAL map, we have one last chance for specific comments. This will be your only chance to comment on the specific recommended map.

This is not the time to talk about how much the process sucks. This is the time to give one last pitch. They specifically want to hear arguments and reason they haven't heard before. Any new information you may have.

From a Surf Rider Board:
http://www.fluidgroove.net/phpBB3/vi...hp?f=19&t=1110

Quote:

BRTF will introduce a new array for proposed closures on the in a few days. The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices We are able to re-introduce closures that truly benefit mother ocean.

The new proposal is focused on compromise, would establish southern California’s coast as a marine reserve or no take zone from Torry Pines to South La Jolla, West Point Dum, west Palos Verdes, South Point Loma. This proposal meets The Science Advisory Team (SAT), the panel providing guidance on how to best design an effective MPA network to optimize habitat diversity while minimizing socio Economic Impact. See attached map.

I heard this from a friend at Stanford Univ.

Tom Hall.

If true this means not everything is above the table

. Imagine that. We need to be there to hold people accountable.

Every time there has been a poor turnout by fishermen, big rulings have gone against us. We cannot afford that this late in the game.

Grego · 11-05-2009, 05:54 PM

Ramp it up guys...

Let's see if they tactfully place the Public Comment period in the day time again before 2:30pm so they can bus the kids in again.

zenspearo · 11-05-2009, 06:02 PM

Let's saddle up kayakfishermen. Spearos will be there.

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 06:04 PM

More info to follow.

Just wanted to get this out there as soon as possible because I just got it.

so cal shaggy · 11-05-2009, 06:04 PM

I will be there.

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 06:08 PM

I have to take another fook'n day off work for this chit.

Of course I will be there.

Now that I am publicly proclaiming it, I can't call in sick though

.

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 06:50 PM

Roll Call

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. ????????

Come on guys.

Squid bite at LAX

. Let's do this.

Anyone know where to grab beer after? We'll need it.

so cal shaggy · 11-05-2009, 06:53 PM

Add Jeff and Erika to the list Tyler.

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by so cal shaggy

Add Jeff and Erika to the list Tyler.

Got it. And thanks to both of you for doing so much for our cause.

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. Erika
14. ????????/

Tman · 11-05-2009, 07:12 PM

"BRTF will introduce a new array for proposed closures on the in a few days. The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices We are able to re-introduce closures that truly benefit mother ocean."

Aw, he must be a sweet fella...

Now go buy your fish from a plastic wrap. Cheat society?

Are you phookin' kidding me?

Unsustainable practices?

How about money spent for more wardens, how about money spent for more artificial reefs, how about slot limits, how about money spent to boost population, ever hear of the WSB Hatchery Program...

Seems they have spent more $ trying to shut the understaffed, underfunded, and unenforceable fishery management down rather than to find ways to make it a sustainable fishery...

Sorry guys, someone had to say it.

I'll try to make it...I can't believe this nonsense...

robmandel · 11-05-2009, 07:17 PM

count me in!!!

"mother ocean" WTF!!! these guys are religious fanatics folks. everyone better realize with the beliefs they have, this is not even close to the end. they will keep coming, and coming, and coming, and coming, and coming, and coming and coming until every square inch of water is closed to fishing.

welcome to the soviet union.

Billy V · 11-05-2009, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grego

Ramp it up guys...

Let's see if they tactfully place the Public Comment period in the day time again before 2:30pm so they can bus the kids in again.

It will be more exploitation of children.
Bring your left over Halloween candy to feed the kiddies.
-------------------------------
That guy TOM HALL's Post should get your back up. Lets show them weak, brainwashed servile what real organization can produce.
See you there Tom.

bellcon · 11-05-2009, 08:06 PM

I am in

I see a stage being set for some nice civil disobedience
sometime down the road when this chapter is over
depending on how bad they shaft us...

We get about 200 kayaks to launch at one of the closed sites...
and we go out and worship "Mother Ocean"

come and get us

A good man will bend over backwards to keep the peace
These people are trying to get us to bend over forward

tattuna · 11-05-2009, 08:10 PM

"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices "

That quote's got my blood boiling!!!! You said it right Tman, no need for apologies. I'll be there, gloves off, but well behaved

FISHIONADO · 11-05-2009, 08:31 PM

I'm in.

"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices " This was some f-tard in Jacksonville Fl that couldn't carry my nut sack.

Most of the Surfrider members I know are fishermen also. We helped influence Surfrider's position regarding San Diego. I wish they had more members in Malibu.

Tman · 11-05-2009, 09:07 PM

Definitely a Clash of ideas going on...

Reminds me of a song from my youth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDlwue0F9HY

May it enlighten some of the younger folks...Clay knows the song...and a bunch more...

baja709 · 11-06-2009, 06:24 AM

I like what Don said,lets fish one of their red zones. Count me in I'll be there.

Matt · 11-06-2009, 07:17 AM

Well I am jammed at work, my boss will be on vacation, but YEAH I AM IN 100%! So much for extra days off at thanksgiving........

SERIOUSLY WE NEED EVERYBODY !!!!

tylerdurden · 11-06-2009, 08:06 AM

This is THE meeting. Everyone thought the last one was it. The last one was the most important, until they put off the decision until November 10th.

Bump

gabe · 11-06-2009, 08:37 AM

I'll be there

11-05-2009, 06:02 PM	#3
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Let's saddle up kayakfishermen. Spearos will be there. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

11-05-2009, 06:04 PM	#4
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	More info to follow. Just wanted to get this out there as soon as possible because I just got it. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-05-2009, 06:04 PM	#5
so cal shaggy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Anaheim Posts: 85	I will be there. __________________ Thanks, Jeff

11-05-2009, 06:08 PM	#6
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	I have to take another fook'n day off work for this chit. Of course I will be there. Now that I am publicly proclaiming it, I can't call in sick though . __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-05-2009, 06:50 PM	#7
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Roll Call 1. Tyler 2. Greg 3. Zenspearo 4. Billy V 5. Jason 6. Mark Olsen 7. Josh Rider 8. Mark Pierpont 9. Jeff Kreiger 10. Jim Sammons 11. Brent 12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy) 13. ???????? Come on guys. Squid bite at LAX . Let's do this. Anyone know where to grab beer after? We'll need it. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-05-2009, 05:54 PM	#2
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 445	Ramp it up guys... Let's see if they tactfully place the Public Comment period in the day time again before 2:30pm so they can bus the kids in again.

11-05-2009, 06:53 PM	#8
so cal shaggy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Anaheim Posts: 85	Add Jeff and Erika to the list Tyler. __________________ Thanks, Jeff

11-05-2009, 07:12 PM	#10
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	"BRTF will introduce a new array for proposed closures on the in a few days. The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices We are able to re-introduce closures that truly benefit mother ocean." Aw, he must be a sweet fella... Now go buy your fish from a plastic wrap. Cheat society? Are you phookin' kidding me? Unsustainable practices? How about money spent for more wardens, how about money spent for more artificial reefs, how about slot limits, how about money spent to boost population, ever hear of the WSB Hatchery Program... Seems they have spent more $ trying to shut the understaffed, underfunded, and unenforceable fishery management down rather than to find ways to make it a sustainable fishery... Sorry guys, someone had to say it. I'll try to make it...I can't believe this nonsense... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

11-05-2009, 07:17 PM	#11
robmandel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 186	count me in!!! "mother ocean" WTF!!! these guys are religious fanatics folks. everyone better realize with the beliefs they have, this is not even close to the end. they will keep coming, and coming, and coming, and coming, and coming, and coming and coming until every square inch of water is closed to fishing. welcome to the soviet union.

11-05-2009, 08:06 PM	#13
bellcon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Pedro Posts: 999	I am in I see a stage being set for some nice civil disobedience sometime down the road when this chapter is over depending on how bad they shaft us... We get about 200 kayaks to launch at one of the closed sites... and we go out and worship "Mother Ocean" come and get us A good man will bend over backwards to keep the peace These people are trying to get us to bend over forward

11-05-2009, 08:10 PM	#14
tattuna Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasadena Posts: 329	"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices " That quote's got my blood boiling!!!! You said it right Tman, no need for apologies. I'll be there, gloves off, but well behaved __________________ IG @tattuna

11-05-2009, 08:31 PM	#15
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I'm in. "The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices " This was some f-tard in Jacksonville Fl that couldn't carry my nut sack. Most of the Surfrider members I know are fishermen also. We helped influence Surfrider's position regarding San Diego. I wish they had more members in Malibu.

11-05-2009, 09:07 PM	#16
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Definitely a Clash of ideas going on... Reminds me of a song from my youth... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDlwue0F9HY May it enlighten some of the younger folks...Clay knows the song...and a bunch more... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

11-06-2009, 06:24 AM	#17
baja709 Junior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 28	I like what Don said,lets fish one of their red zones. Count me in I'll be there.

11-06-2009, 07:17 AM	#18
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Well I am jammed at work, my boss will be on vacation, but YEAH I AM IN 100%! So much for extra days off at thanksgiving........ SERIOUSLY WE NEED EVERYBODY !!!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

11-06-2009, 08:06 AM	#19
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	This is THE meeting. Everyone thought the last one was it. The last one was the most important, until they put off the decision until November 10th. Bump __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-06-2009, 08:37 AM	#20
gabe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 120	I'll be there __________________

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