MLPA meeting highlights / lowlights in real time - Page 4 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Tman · 10-22-2009, 05:56 PM

This is all utter nonsense...and they know it. That is the reason they had their tables set the way they were, to garner 'respect' and to let everyone know that they were in control. The rules were their's all along, they just had to play it out for appearance sake.

All you anti-fishers, you are seriously clueless, and when the SD/OC/LA economy starts taking a hit, and the DFG cuts back even more, and the price per pound for fish and lobster rise, we will make it a point to thank you with a

salute, Bloody Decks style.

joyjiggin' · 10-22-2009, 05:57 PM

More updates???????

Tman · 10-22-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gino

I wont spend a dime of money in Laguna ever again. regardless of the outcome, they city council there obviously doesnt welcome buisness.

theres a reason why thier is no fishign /tackle stores in Laguna, the City wont give you the permit. bunch of fruitcakes

We will have to definitely have a Kayak Fishing/Spearfishing Tournament BBQ at Laguna...soon. And make sure you buy everything you need for the BBQ beforehand...you cannot shop in Laguna for anything.

Here we come Laguna...to take your fish, fill your trash cans, and not spend a stinkin' dime in your city...and make sure there's TP in the public bathrooms for us...

tylerdurden · 10-22-2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

More updates???????

We got screwed over bad in some areas. Others are not too bad. They just went in and totally messed up the maps.

They can't make decisions when they are not prepared to do it. It looks like no IPA will be made today.

In each region the BRTF has a couple different options for closures. They will decide between those choices, and make an IPA.

The decision will be made at a 1 day BRTF meeting in the LA area around November 10th.

bender0240 · 10-22-2009, 06:00 PM

Paul Lebowitz They are talking about a day long meeting in Los Angeles in November.

joyjiggin' · 10-22-2009, 06:00 PM

I never thought we'd get Laguna, that's where "Friends of the Seals," are, they are all tree-huggers at their best.

Gino · 10-22-2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVC

I would feel good about the whole system if those people from Laguna would get hosed. I can't believe that they would propose to close their entire coast. Alot of compromise there.

They are the cupcake city. Thier police department drives hybird cars and ATVs. Its really easy to make them pay for thier elitism, dont give them any of your buisness. not 1 penny.

2 laguna lady who came into the laguna beach mettign with the 2 dead gardibaldi is perfect example. DFG didnt wirt her a citation. why is she the exception?

After living in Dana Point for over 10 years, growing up there. and beign a frequent customer in thier city. no more for me.

Gino · 10-22-2009, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tman

We will have to definitely have a Kayak Fishing/Spearfishing Tournament BBQ at Laguna...soon. And make sure you buy everything you need for the BBQ beforehand...you cannot shop in Laguna for anything.

Here we come Laguna...to take your fish, fill your trash cans, and not spend a stinkin' dime in your city...and make sure there's TP in the public bathrooms for us...

Hell Tman, ill bring the TP for everyone! I'm down to get soemthign started.

bender0240 · 10-22-2009, 06:05 PM

Paul Lebowitz This next one day meeting is tentatively for Nov 10 in the LAX area, 9:30 to 5:00 pm.

Well at least it's not when MOST of us are working. Goddamn these people.

PAL · 10-22-2009, 06:06 PM

OMFG - they just put this thing on pause. We'll be back on Nov 10 somewhere in the LAX area. It may be time to rally the troops again. this is really a round 4 with BRTF alternatives.

Signing off now to head home. Guys, we need to crank it back up.

joyjiggin' · 10-22-2009, 06:08 PM

So is anything written in stone?? Or is it all still up in the air????

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 06:12 PM

Nothing is in stone.
Even More Options are on the table.

For La Jolla
Map 2 style -Delmar and Sunset Cliffs

-Swamis and Sunset Cliffs

-SMCA At Scripps to Allow hook and line coastal pelagic (and Maybe Pelagic)
South La Jolla to Crystal pier.

tylerdurden · 10-22-2009, 06:13 PM

Wow.

I watched the last hour with perfect feed.

.

We get to go to another meeting and state our cases

.

I am so sick of this entire thing.

Thank you to Paul and all the RSG members for sitting through this for our sake.

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 06:15 PM

Its because of the Stand we Made Last Night.

and we are going to have to do it again, this time for all the marbles.
---------------
I need a rest.

bender0240 · 10-22-2009, 06:16 PM

Billy: you have the impression LJ will be Map 2 style? I was thinking it looked more like Map 3. Did I miss something?

Useful Idiot · 10-22-2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy V

Nothing is in stone.
Even More Options are on the table.

For La Jolla
Map 2 style -Delmar and Sunset Cliffs

-Swamis and Sunset Cliffs

-SMCA At Scripps to Allow hook and line coastal pelagic (and Maybe Pelagic)
South La Jolla to Crystal pier.

FYI, for those who don't know- Coastal Pelagic = anchovies, sardines, mackerel, smelt, squid.

tylerdurden · 10-22-2009, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bender0240

Billy: you have the impression LJ will be Map 2 style? I was thinking it looked more like Map 3. Did I miss something?

It could be map 2 style, or 3, or some weird hybrid. They gave all the options.

Good news, no plan closes both South LJ and North PL.

-edit
When they archive the video in a day or so we can watch it again and see exactly what all the San Diego options were. It will be near the end.

Useful Idiot · 10-22-2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylerdurden

It could be map 2 style, or 3, or some weird hybrid. They gave all the options.

Good news, no plan closes both South LJ and North PL.

-edit
When they archive the video in a day or so we can watch it again and see exactly what all the San Diego options were. It will be near the end.

If I heard them right, did one option say that a Del Mar SMR would replace the South LJ SMR? I'll have to watch the archive video.

dsafety · 10-22-2009, 06:25 PM

I was online following this thing all day. My take after watching the procedings is that while we don't yet know what is going to be the final outcome, it appears that we may have dodged the worst possible scenarios. Paul was there so I am sure he will have a better perspective.

With apologies to our brothers and sisters up north, my main concerns lie with what happens in San Diego. It looks like the three options being considered for this part of the world will all leave us with some to most of our favorite fishing grounds intact. We can hope that they just adopt option 2. From what I heard, there is at least one vote to do that. The other members of the BRTF were too hard to read so the outcome is still very much in doubt.

I found it interesting that the BRTF basically told the DFG rep that they really did not care if the final MLPA maps were enforceable. Seems pretty arrogant to me.

Bob

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylerdurden

It could be map 2 style, or 3, or some weird hybrid. They gave all the options.

Good news, no plan closes both South LJ and North PL.

Tyler,

Last night old Ken saved me as The Last Speaker. (I lost a bet with Zenspearo, it was going to be either one of us as punishment)

In my final public comments I asked for what we discussed, in a very pointed and respectful way.
-The stuff we need to preserve our sport -and for the spearos.

I was approached after the close of the meeting and asked to repeat it to one of our rsg friendlies for a discussion that apparently took place this morning, or late last night.
It certainly showed up at todays meeting.

10-22-2009, 05:56 PM	#61
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	This is all utter nonsense...and they know it. That is the reason they had their tables set the way they were, to garner 'respect' and to let everyone know that they were in control. The rules were their's all along, they just had to play it out for appearance sake. All you anti-fishers, you are seriously clueless, and when the SD/OC/LA economy starts taking a hit, and the DFG cuts back even more, and the price per pound for fish and lobster rise, we will make it a point to thank you with a salute, Bloody Decks style. __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-22-2009, 06:13 PM	#73
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Wow. I watched the last hour with perfect feed. . We get to go to another meeting and state our cases . I am so sick of this entire thing. Thank you to Paul and all the RSG members for sitting through this for our sake. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

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10-22-2009, 05:57 PM	#62
joyjiggin' Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 109	More updates???????

10-22-2009, 06:00 PM	#65
bender0240 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118	Paul Lebowitz They are talking about a day long meeting in Los Angeles in November.

10-22-2009, 06:05 PM	#69
bender0240 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118	Paul Lebowitz This next one day meeting is tentatively for Nov 10 in the LAX area, 9:30 to 5:00 pm. Well at least it's not when MOST of us are working. Goddamn these people.

10-22-2009, 06:06 PM	#70
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	OMFG - they just put this thing on pause. We'll be back on Nov 10 somewhere in the LAX area. It may be time to rally the troops again. this is really a round 4 with BRTF alternatives. Signing off now to head home. Guys, we need to crank it back up.

10-22-2009, 06:08 PM	#71
joyjiggin' Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 109	So is anything written in stone?? Or is it all still up in the air????

10-22-2009, 06:12 PM	#72
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Nothing is in stone. Even More Options are on the table. For La Jolla Map 2 style -Delmar and Sunset Cliffs -Swamis and Sunset Cliffs -SMCA At Scripps to Allow hook and line coastal pelagic (and Maybe Pelagic) South La Jolla to Crystal pier.

10-22-2009, 06:15 PM	#74
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Its because of the Stand we Made Last Night. and we are going to have to do it again, this time for all the marbles. --------------- I need a rest.

10-22-2009, 06:16 PM	#75
bender0240 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118	Billy: you have the impression LJ will be Map 2 style? I was thinking it looked more like Map 3. Did I miss something?

10-22-2009, 06:25 PM	#79
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	I was online following this thing all day. My take after watching the procedings is that while we don't yet know what is going to be the final outcome, it appears that we may have dodged the worst possible scenarios. Paul was there so I am sure he will have a better perspective. With apologies to our brothers and sisters up north, my main concerns lie with what happens in San Diego. It looks like the three options being considered for this part of the world will all leave us with some to most of our favorite fishing grounds intact. We can hope that they just adopt option 2. From what I heard, there is at least one vote to do that. The other members of the BRTF were too hard to read so the outcome is still very much in doubt. I found it interesting that the BRTF basically told the DFG rep that they really did not care if the final MLPA maps were enforceable. Seems pretty arrogant to me. Bob