URGENT!! FAX to stop MLPA budgeting!! - Page 2 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Tman · 06-10-2009, 07:19 PM

MUST READ - MAKE THOSE CALLS!

From the numbers Chris posted...

I just got off the phone with Jonathan Hardy (Senator Ducheny’s Staff), 619-409-7690. He is also a member of the statewide interest group, and here is some of the things he touched on that the Senator is aware of;

- That the mapping has issues and is behind
- That they are aware that the process is going too fast
- They listen not only enviros, but commercial as well
- That the BRTF has an agenda, he has heard that
- Aware of the budget, and part of the budget conference committee

Here is the best part...when I mentioned to him the concern of kelp habitat as a factor in determining which areas need help, and that some of the areas mentioned are very kelp-healthy, he said that they are aware that only certain years were used for the study, when there are 80 years' worth of study available...

The 3 mile closure from shore? CA only has that jurisdiction...over 3 miles is federal...did not know that...

Jonathan Hardy seemed to me to be helpful, knowledgeable about the process and the pros and cons, and assured me that the Senator is aware of problems in the process and the meeting tomorrow is a hearing to decide what steps need to be addressed.

Also, they are aware the DFG is under-funded and could pose problems, and I told him that I for one, like many of you, know how important it is to have the DFG out in force. A mention was made of Sutton's involvement, among other things I'd rather not post here...will talk about it Saturday...

Keep making those calls, I was taken aback how much he was informed of everything, calls regarding the MLPA are directed to him.

Thanks Chris for those numbers....

Billy V · 06-10-2009, 08:52 PM

Mail Sent to everyone.

Have a Nice Day.

Matt · 06-10-2009, 09:18 PM

NO REST FOR THE WEARY OR THE DILLIGENT, and YEAH I DO HAVE A FAX MACHINE AT HOME NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD USE IT BUT HERE GOES!!!

Dennis · 06-11-2009, 07:13 AM

Sent lastnight... Thanks guys.

Holy Mackerel · 06-11-2009, 08:56 AM

Don't stop FAXING, EMAILING, CALLING!

If you want to watch the action, the Budget Conference Committee hearing is scheduled today for 3 PM and will be available at The California Channel http://www.calchannel.com/

Lit-up1 · 06-11-2009, 09:28 AM

Fax away-
The enviros aren't sending faxes like us-they pay drones to do it for them

Thanks Chris

Geoffkoop · 06-11-2009, 09:38 AM

Sent to all

Tman · 06-11-2009, 11:29 AM

I have, with the help of Chris, come up with a letter that kids can give to their parents and let them know what is going on...

PM me if you would like a copy...

dsafety · 06-11-2009, 04:00 PM

I have been trying to send faxes to these folks all day. The lines have been busy so none have gone through. Hopefully the lines are jammed by folks expressing our point of view.

I will try later this evening.

Bob

tylerdurden · 06-11-2009, 06:52 PM

Well, according the the rumors going around...
still trying to figure out what happened. Trying to find the real answer on the internet, because the internet is always right

.

joyjiggin' · 06-11-2009, 08:43 PM

Emails-done. Phone calls-manana. Thanks for the info!

lambadmin · 06-11-2009, 09:26 PM

Thanks Chris and all!!!!!!!!

Tman · 06-11-2009, 10:00 PM

Got a couple people ask me for copies, hope they will work for you and would like your feedback.

I handed out a bunch today at Clay's school, talked to a bunch of people, had Moms saying that they would give it to their husbands who aren't aware, and Dads who knew nothing about the going ons with the MLPA...

Scary. Quite scary.

This is far from over, and since this whole act is supposed to have "extensive public input" (actual wording from their handouts), I cannot believe how many people have not heard about it.

Regardless if we win the first round, there will always be, most assuredly, a round 2...

I implore you to make copies, change names, schools, etc., and inform and enlighten the public.

For the record, I did not encounter one person, not one, who want what the anti-fishers want.

And the people I spoke to today are all parents. Imagine that. And if you don't have kids, I'm sure you know someone who does.

PS...If you have minimal posts and are unknown in the kayak community, sorry, I ran out of copies to email you...

dsafety · 06-11-2009, 10:27 PM

T-Man, it's worse than you know. Since I have gotten involved with Paul's fundraiser, I have made a point of asking everyone I see fishing from a kayak if they plan to fish in the tournament to support the cause. More than half of the people I have spoken to, are totally unaware of the MLPA threat.

We need to find a very visible person or group to champion this cause and get the message out to the masses. That will be hard to do. An easier mission is to make sure that everyone who knows how to spell kayak, or fishing understands what is at stake. Each of us can help in that regard by talking to the people we meet.

Bob

Saba Slayer · 06-11-2009, 11:04 PM

It's amazing how few people/fishermen are aware of the MLPA process...
Make it your job to inform everyone you can...tell the guys at work about it... carry some hand-outs in your car to inform folks about what's going on, especially at the various kayak launch areas and launch ramps.
Print the up-coming meeting/workshop schedule and hand that out.
Get as many folks involved as you can!
Thanks
Jim / Saba Slayer

Tman · 06-11-2009, 11:33 PM

Indeed...this is unfathomable to me personally, I spoke to some of Clay's schoolmates today, and they were shocked.

I think that most people think that someone else will handle the workload and we will all be safe. It is not the case.

I agree with what you say, there are TONS of people out there, Mothers, Fathers, Daughters, Sons, who are completely unaware.

This is not something that only affects adult kayakers, it has the potential to affect our children.

I am taking this personally because I have raised my son to respect and appreciate the ocean. The only seafood we buy at the store is shrimp, scallops, and crab. And canned tuna. If we don't plan to eat what we catch that day, we release.

For someone to stand up and say that they love fishing, and they love fishermen, but they want their grandchildren to be able to fish, is essentially telling me that they don't want my son to fish.

Maybe we need to contact groups that realize the benefits of taking a kid fishing, let's send some letters out to these groups. It's a start.

Post up some websites people, they want extensive public input!

Post some links, I will send out letters and emails...already have.

An uninformed public is a docile public...sound familiar?

herbo · 06-12-2009, 02:34 AM

Done deal!!!!!! now to burn up the phone lines!!!.....

H

Zed · 06-12-2009, 12:09 PM

I agree most average Joes and Janes off the street/beach haven't heard of it at all. To play devil's advocate, because I do, there will still be a large percentage of folks (after whichever proposal is enacted) that do fish, that we all can't/haven't reach(ed). So there will be a large number of folks ignorantly fishing is restricted areas in the future. This comes around to education and enforcement $$$ which isn't available now. If there isn't enough wardens now, w/ minimal closures, where are the wardens going to come from when there is more (hopefully the lesser of all evils) widespread closures?

tylerdurden · 06-12-2009, 12:20 PM

For public outreach, not even all kayak and boat fisherman know whats going on. I think we should focus on them for now. I have some ideas for Saturdays meeting at Joe's.

CurtyL · 06-12-2009, 06:02 PM

Anyone hear how it went?

06-10-2009, 07:19 PM	#21
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	MUST READ - MAKE THOSE CALLS! From the numbers Chris posted... I just got off the phone with Jonathan Hardy (Senator Ducheny’s Staff), 619-409-7690. He is also a member of the statewide interest group, and here is some of the things he touched on that the Senator is aware of; - That the mapping has issues and is behind - That they are aware that the process is going too fast - They listen not only enviros, but commercial as well - That the BRTF has an agenda, he has heard that - Aware of the budget, and part of the budget conference committee Here is the best part...when I mentioned to him the concern of kelp habitat as a factor in determining which areas need help, and that some of the areas mentioned are very kelp-healthy, he said that they are aware that only certain years were used for the study, when there are 80 years' worth of study available... The 3 mile closure from shore? CA only has that jurisdiction...over 3 miles is federal...did not know that... Jonathan Hardy seemed to me to be helpful, knowledgeable about the process and the pros and cons, and assured me that the Senator is aware of problems in the process and the meeting tomorrow is a hearing to decide what steps need to be addressed. Also, they are aware the DFG is under-funded and could pose problems, and I told him that I for one, like many of you, know how important it is to have the DFG out in force. A mention was made of Sutton's involvement, among other things I'd rather not post here...will talk about it Saturday... Keep making those calls, I was taken aback how much he was informed of everything, calls regarding the MLPA are directed to him. Thanks Chris for those numbers.... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

06-10-2009, 09:18 PM	#23
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	NO REST FOR THE WEARY OR THE DILLIGENT, and YEAH I DO HAVE A FAX MACHINE AT HOME NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD USE IT BUT HERE GOES!!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

06-11-2009, 07:13 AM	#24
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South of La Jolla... Posts: 1,193	Sent lastnight... Thanks guys. __________________ Hmmmm.....

06-11-2009, 09:28 AM	#26
Lit-up1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Point Loma Posts: 384	MLPA Fax away- The enviros aren't sending faxes like us-they pay drones to do it for them Thanks Chris __________________

06-11-2009, 11:29 AM	#28
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	I have, with the help of Chris, come up with a letter that kids can give to their parents and let them know what is going on... PM me if you would like a copy... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

06-10-2009, 08:52 PM	#22
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Mail Sent to everyone. Have a Nice Day.

06-11-2009, 08:56 AM	#25
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Don't stop FAXING, EMAILING, CALLING! If you want to watch the action, the Budget Conference Committee hearing is scheduled today for 3 PM and will be available at The California Channel http://www.calchannel.com/

06-11-2009, 09:38 AM	#27
Geoffkoop Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: So. Orange County Posts: 302	Sent to all

06-11-2009, 04:00 PM	#29
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	I have been trying to send faxes to these folks all day. The lines have been busy so none have gone through. Hopefully the lines are jammed by folks expressing our point of view. I will try later this evening. Bob

06-11-2009, 06:52 PM	#30
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Well, according the the rumors going around... still trying to figure out what happened. Trying to find the real answer on the internet, because the internet is always right . __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th. Last edited by tylerdurden; 06-11-2009 at 07:18 PM. Reason: not sure

06-11-2009, 08:43 PM	#31
joyjiggin' Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 109	Emails-done. Phone calls-manana. Thanks for the info!

06-11-2009, 09:26 PM	#32
lambadmin Spam Sanitation Dept Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,375	Thanks Chris and all!!!!!!!! __________________

06-11-2009, 10:00 PM	#33
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Letters... Got a couple people ask me for copies, hope they will work for you and would like your feedback. I handed out a bunch today at Clay's school, talked to a bunch of people, had Moms saying that they would give it to their husbands who aren't aware, and Dads who knew nothing about the going ons with the MLPA... Scary. Quite scary. This is far from over, and since this whole act is supposed to have "extensive public input" (actual wording from their handouts), I cannot believe how many people have not heard about it. Regardless if we win the first round, there will always be, most assuredly, a round 2... I implore you to make copies, change names, schools, etc., and inform and enlighten the public. For the record, I did not encounter one person, not one, who want what the anti-fishers want. And the people I spoke to today are all parents. Imagine that. And if you don't have kids, I'm sure you know someone who does. PS...If you have minimal posts and are unknown in the kayak community, sorry, I ran out of copies to email you... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

06-11-2009, 10:27 PM	#34
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	T-Man, it's worse than you know. Since I have gotten involved with Paul's fundraiser, I have made a point of asking everyone I see fishing from a kayak if they plan to fish in the tournament to support the cause. More than half of the people I have spoken to, are totally unaware of the MLPA threat. We need to find a very visible person or group to champion this cause and get the message out to the masses. That will be hard to do. An easier mission is to make sure that everyone who knows how to spell kayak, or fishing understands what is at stake. Each of us can help in that regard by talking to the people we meet. Bob

06-11-2009, 11:04 PM	#35
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,858	Public It's amazing how few people/fishermen are aware of the MLPA process... Make it your job to inform everyone you can...tell the guys at work about it... carry some hand-outs in your car to inform folks about what's going on, especially at the various kayak launch areas and launch ramps. Print the up-coming meeting/workshop schedule and hand that out. Get as many folks involved as you can! Thanks Jim / Saba Slayer

06-11-2009, 11:33 PM	#36
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Indeed...this is unfathomable to me personally, I spoke to some of Clay's schoolmates today, and they were shocked. I think that most people think that someone else will handle the workload and we will all be safe. It is not the case. I agree with what you say, there are TONS of people out there, Mothers, Fathers, Daughters, Sons, who are completely unaware. This is not something that only affects adult kayakers, it has the potential to affect our children. I am taking this personally because I have raised my son to respect and appreciate the ocean. The only seafood we buy at the store is shrimp, scallops, and crab. And canned tuna. If we don't plan to eat what we catch that day, we release. For someone to stand up and say that they love fishing, and they love fishermen, but they want their grandchildren to be able to fish, is essentially telling me that they don't want my son to fish. Maybe we need to contact groups that realize the benefits of taking a kid fishing, let's send some letters out to these groups. It's a start. Post up some websites people, they want extensive public input! Post some links, I will send out letters and emails...already have. An uninformed public is a docile public...sound familiar? __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

06-12-2009, 02:34 AM	#37
herbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canyon Country, Ca. Posts: 116	Done deal!!!!!! now to burn up the phone lines!!!.....H __________________ mellow yellow malibu eXtreme

06-12-2009, 12:09 PM	#38
Zed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: W of 5 Posts: 1,265	I agree most average Joes and Janes off the street/beach haven't heard of it at all. To play devil's advocate, because I do, there will still be a large percentage of folks (after whichever proposal is enacted) that do fish, that we all can't/haven't reach(ed). So there will be a large number of folks ignorantly fishing is restricted areas in the future. This comes around to education and enforcement $$$ which isn't available now. If there isn't enough wardens now, w/ minimal closures, where are the wardens going to come from when there is more (hopefully the lesser of all evils) widespread closures? __________________ Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man and he'll eat for a week.

06-12-2009, 12:20 PM	#39
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	For public outreach, not even all kayak and boat fisherman know whats going on. I think we should focus on them for now. I have some ideas for Saturdays meeting at Joe's. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

06-12-2009, 06:02 PM	#40
CurtyL Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: wherever the college girlz r Posts: 127	Anyone hear how it went?

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