The MLPA two step - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

landwhale · 05-27-2009, 10:12 PM

Just got word that the RSG leadership has done it again. At the end of the Thursday Meeting of the Stakeholders Group in Santa Ana they had come up with well thought up maps for the Opal and Topaz groups and the Lapis group could not agree on one map so sent forward 2. The guidelines called for 6 maps to be forwarded to SAT for evaluation so the RSG said that the Opal and Topaz maps would go forward and each RSG member was given a ballot to vote for 3 of the 4 remaining. The vote came back Lapis 1 = 63, Lapis 2 = 61, External A = 64, External B = 39, External C = 29. For those of you that do not know External C is the outside proposal from the environmental side that closes most of our fishing areas. The vote was to be made public on Tuesday though it never happened. Today the RSG members were informed by Mr. Wiseman that all 7 would be sent forward. I smell the money that is paying for the process pushing their proposal forward. It is more important now than ever that you get and stay involved. More info will be coming to you in the next days

Billy V · 05-27-2009, 11:05 PM

As I recall External A Map is what we wanted to go forward.
It was the most Fishing Friendly.

It seems External A Passed with 64 Votes,
We have to keep a good eye on these rat b@stids.

Tman · 05-27-2009, 11:09 PM

Funny how this can be problematic to 3/4 of the ocean loving people, yet 3/4 of these people are still uninformed.

Two step indeed.

Thanks for staying on top of this Steve.

And these same antagonists of the sea are getting shot down, finally coming to light the obvious demise of CP...

Presence needs to be felt at the next meetings...

zenspearo · 05-28-2009, 04:58 AM

Yep, the process was gamed, and we got the short-end of the stick.

This should enrage everyone. They bought everything but they couldn't buy you out. You need to show up and let them know what you think.

See you at the MLPA road show workshops. I'll be there--I have no excuses.

Holy Mackerel · 05-28-2009, 07:56 AM

This is unbelievable!

How in the world is this legal, not to mention, why have RSG members if Wiseman can just run the show. Sounds like the RSG members worked hard to find consensus, and Wiseman made his own decision.

tylerdurden · 05-28-2009, 08:11 AM

Ouch. We are getting screwed.

This doesn't sound like a problem for the RSG reps, they voted and made their voice clear. This sounds like a problem for the BRTF and the people that make the rules, and change the rules if they don't like the result they get. We should let them know what we think.

This makes it even more important that we show up with even more guys next time. We NEED 100 + kayakers at the next set of meetings.

The BRTF meets June 4th I believe. Is there a public comment session?

landwhale · 05-28-2009, 08:30 AM

Yes the BRTF is meeting on June 4th in LA and there is public comment I plan on being there they NEED to feel our presence anyone else.

05-27-2009, 10:12 PM	#1
landwhale Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach Posts: 506	The MLPA two step Just got word that the RSG leadership has done it again. At the end of the Thursday Meeting of the Stakeholders Group in Santa Ana they had come up with well thought up maps for the Opal and Topaz groups and the Lapis group could not agree on one map so sent forward 2. The guidelines called for 6 maps to be forwarded to SAT for evaluation so the RSG said that the Opal and Topaz maps would go forward and each RSG member was given a ballot to vote for 3 of the 4 remaining. The vote came back Lapis 1 = 63, Lapis 2 = 61, External A = 64, External B = 39, External C = 29. For those of you that do not know External C is the outside proposal from the environmental side that closes most of our fishing areas. The vote was to be made public on Tuesday though it never happened. Today the RSG members were informed by Mr. Wiseman that all 7 would be sent forward. I smell the money that is paying for the process pushing their proposal forward. It is more important now than ever that you get and stay involved. More info will be coming to you in the next days __________________

05-27-2009, 11:05 PM	#2
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	As I recall External A Map is what we wanted to go forward. It was the most Fishing Friendly. It seems External A Passed with 64 Votes, We have to keep a good eye on these rat b@stids. Last edited by Billy V; 05-28-2009 at 05:02 AM.

05-27-2009, 11:09 PM	#3
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Funny how this can be problematic to 3/4 of the ocean loving people, yet 3/4 of these people are still uninformed. Two step indeed. Thanks for staying on top of this Steve. And these same antagonists of the sea are getting shot down, finally coming to light the obvious demise of CP... Presence needs to be felt at the next meetings... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

05-28-2009, 08:11 AM	#6
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Ouch. We are getting screwed. This doesn't sound like a problem for the RSG reps, they voted and made their voice clear. This sounds like a problem for the BRTF and the people that make the rules, and change the rules if they don't like the result they get. We should let them know what we think. This makes it even more important that we show up with even more guys next time. We NEED 100 + kayakers at the next set of meetings. The BRTF meets June 4th I believe. Is there a public comment session? __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

05-28-2009, 08:30 AM	#7
landwhale Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach Posts: 506	Yes the BRTF is meeting on June 4th in LA and there is public comment I plan on being there they NEED to feel our presence anyone else. __________________

05-28-2009, 04:58 AM	#4
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Yep, the process was gamed, and we got the short-end of the stick. This should enrage everyone. They bought everything but they couldn't buy you out. You need to show up and let them know what you think. See you at the MLPA road show workshops. I'll be there--I have no excuses.

05-28-2009, 07:56 AM	#5
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	This is unbelievable! How in the world is this legal, not to mention, why have RSG members if Wiseman can just run the show. Sounds like the RSG members worked hard to find consensus, and Wiseman made his own decision.