Fish Jaw Restoration - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tunaseeker · 08-10-2016, 09:23 PM

I got asked to help out with a cool jaw restoration....

YouTube Vid here....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9QNKEWqp7Y

World Record IGFA Broomtail Grouper... Music is a little dramatic but well deserved.....

PapaDave · 08-11-2016, 06:59 AM

So what is the procedure for preserving the jaws? I see denatured alcohol, skull paste and beer, but how does that go together?

onetriphudson · 08-11-2016, 07:08 AM

Thats awesome!

MrPukaShell · 08-11-2016, 01:32 PM

Very cool indeed. Thanks for taking the time to share.

SDROB · 08-11-2016, 03:13 PM

Top notch! Very Cool...

Dannowar · 08-11-2016, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PapaDave

So what is the procedure for preserving the jaws? I see denatured alcohol, skull paste and beer, but how does that go together?

There's a few ways to do it. I usually boil the jaw till the flesh gets lose and carefully remove it. These teeth weren't in there very securely so I had a hell of a time. Then I soaked mine in half water half hydrogen peroxide. Let em dry and hot glued em together. You can actually see at the top of the jaw where my spear shaft broke off the vertical bone hehe.

Not a monster like that broom tail but you can see the subtle differences in jaw structure.

67 pound Gulfie

tunaseeker · 08-11-2016, 07:19 PM

Ok boys & girls ....
First I am not a professional taxidermist! I dabble a little...
As you know there are many ways to skin a cat or fish....
so this is my method
The best way is with Dermisted Beetles! Hands down. But I have never done that yet. That will be my next project.

1. Drink IPAs helps with the smell

2. Boil the fish jaw, Parboil, but not too long as you will loose some teeth depending on the fish? If you have small thin teeth yep you will loose them. If they are like shark teeth or Sheephead no problemo
3. Then get as much meat off as you can. Boil too long an the jaw will fall apart into as many as 6 pieces potentially. Keeping the connective tissue can help you in the end. But too much it can look funky.

4. I then soaked it in water for a day, you can mix with peroxide..
5. More meat removal
6. Then soaked in peroxide 3% for another day
7. More meat removal but teeth are getting loose...
8. Drink more beer!
9. Then I put into ethanol as it will fix the remaining connective tissue and make it firm and white.
10. That's another day or so.
11. Dry it out and apply the skull paste which is 40% hydrogen peroxide with sulfate powder.. Only beer here is for drinking! You mix the two and it will makes a paste, use a paint brush to apply
12. Leave on for 24 hours and then rinse off with warm water. works very well!
13. Repeat if yellow..
15. Paint on an Elmers Glue and hot water mix 1:1 to secure any loose teeth. I added some Isopropyl alcohol too.
16. This should be done now but add a spray clear coat gloss to make it shine..

I have also just soaked it in hydrogen peroxide before for about a week and that worked well too....

It really depends on the teeth....

Hopefully this helps you all a little....

Getting it fully pearl white with no yellow is the ultimate goal! Don't use bleach as the ph will mess up the bone structure and make it brittle and fall apart as it has a high ph.

If you want to use bleach it will have to be PH adjusted with vinegar...
but then you need ph strips too.. But caution as this can produce chlorine gas...

So the easiest way is quick boil, remove meat, soak in 3% hydrogen peroxide 2 days, if you can get a higher percentage the better up to 20%40%, remove more meat, peroxide again not for long as the bones get loose. Dry out and clear coat if white.....

Again this is just my method and there are many out there but nothing definitive that I found. The key components you have to use
-Skull Paste 40% Hydrogen Peroxide with sulfates
-Ethanol
-Elmers glue mix...

Cheers
Todd

PapaDave · 08-12-2016, 06:31 AM

Thanks for the tips.

Cedros Tackle · 08-12-2016, 11:55 AM

Wow Todd!! That is an awesome video! Super appreciate all the hard work. I hope you will take me up on my offer to come down to the island with Kevin and I. Well deserved and I would be honored to have you as a guest at the Cedros house.

tunaseeker · 08-12-2016, 12:13 PM

That's an amazing offer and I will gladly take you up on that!

Cheers!

Todd

Mr_Fixit · 08-12-2016, 12:21 PM

Oh this thread is priceless! I am going to get no end of entertainment out of doing this! The beer certainly helps with the entertainment, but there are other aspects that are going to make me laugh for many years....

My girlfriend is a vegetarian. She gets a little upset if I bring a fish home. She wants me to release them all, and even dislikes that I catch them in the first place.

Now.... to have a spectacular trophy sitting there in the house grinning at the vegetarian on a daily basis?! Oh my... this is going to be funny!

Probably not getting laid for a LONG time... but it will be funny!

tunaseeker · 08-12-2016, 12:50 PM

I was actually laughing out loud in my cubicle!

Croaker Dave · 08-16-2016, 04:17 PM

Here's a halibut that I did a while back

08-10-2016, 09:23 PM	#1
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	Fish Jaw Restoration I got asked to help out with a cool jaw restoration.... YouTube Vid here....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9QNKEWqp7Y World Record IGFA Broomtail Grouper... Music is a little dramatic but well deserved.....

08-11-2016, 06:59 AM	#2
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,473	So what is the procedure for preserving the jaws? I see denatured alcohol, skull paste and beer, but how does that go together? __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish...

08-11-2016, 07:08 AM	#3
onetriphudson Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 143	Thats awesome! __________________ 2012 Dune Pro Angler 14, 1994 Yellow Scupper Pro

08-11-2016, 03:13 PM	#5
SDROB Malibu Stealth 12 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Hollywood, San Diego, Gonzaga Bay Posts: 512	Top notch! Very Cool... __________________ She will keep you warm in the winter and give you shade in the summer (Rossman) I'm telling ya, you have to keep these suckers on a game clip until just before you drop them in the frying pan.(Rossman)

08-12-2016, 06:31 AM	#8
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,473	Thanks for the tips. __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish...

08-11-2016, 01:32 PM	#4
MrPukaShell Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Ventura COunty Posts: 521	Very cool indeed. Thanks for taking the time to share.

08-11-2016, 07:19 PM	#7
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	Ok boys & girls .... First I am not a professional taxidermist! I dabble a little... As you know there are many ways to skin a cat or fish.... so this is my method The best way is with Dermisted Beetles! Hands down. But I have never done that yet. That will be my next project. 1. Drink IPAs helps with the smell 2. Boil the fish jaw, Parboil, but not too long as you will loose some teeth depending on the fish? If you have small thin teeth yep you will loose them. If they are like shark teeth or Sheephead no problemo 3. Then get as much meat off as you can. Boil too long an the jaw will fall apart into as many as 6 pieces potentially. Keeping the connective tissue can help you in the end. But too much it can look funky. 4. I then soaked it in water for a day, you can mix with peroxide.. 5. More meat removal 6. Then soaked in peroxide 3% for another day 7. More meat removal but teeth are getting loose... 8. Drink more beer! 9. Then I put into ethanol as it will fix the remaining connective tissue and make it firm and white. 10. That's another day or so. 11. Dry it out and apply the skull paste which is 40% hydrogen peroxide with sulfate powder.. Only beer here is for drinking! You mix the two and it will makes a paste, use a paint brush to apply 12. Leave on for 24 hours and then rinse off with warm water. works very well! 13. Repeat if yellow.. 15. Paint on an Elmers Glue and hot water mix 1:1 to secure any loose teeth. I added some Isopropyl alcohol too. 16. This should be done now but add a spray clear coat gloss to make it shine.. I have also just soaked it in hydrogen peroxide before for about a week and that worked well too.... It really depends on the teeth.... Hopefully this helps you all a little.... Getting it fully pearl white with no yellow is the ultimate goal! Don't use bleach as the ph will mess up the bone structure and make it brittle and fall apart as it has a high ph. If you want to use bleach it will have to be PH adjusted with vinegar... but then you need ph strips too.. But caution as this can produce chlorine gas... So the easiest way is quick boil, remove meat, soak in 3% hydrogen peroxide 2 days, if you can get a higher percentage the better up to 20%40%, remove more meat, peroxide again not for long as the bones get loose. Dry out and clear coat if white..... Again this is just my method and there are many out there but nothing definitive that I found. The key components you have to use -Skull Paste 40% Hydrogen Peroxide with sulfates -Ethanol -Elmers glue mix... Cheers Todd

08-12-2016, 11:55 AM	#9
Cedros Tackle Junior Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Temecula Posts: 14	Wow Todd!! That is an awesome video! Super appreciate all the hard work. I hope you will take me up on my offer to come down to the island with Kevin and I. Well deserved and I would be honored to have you as a guest at the Cedros house.

08-12-2016, 12:13 PM	#10
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	That's an amazing offer and I will gladly take you up on that! Cheers! Todd

08-12-2016, 12:21 PM	#11
Mr_Fixit Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 130	Oh this thread is priceless! I am going to get no end of entertainment out of doing this! The beer certainly helps with the entertainment, but there are other aspects that are going to make me laugh for many years.... My girlfriend is a vegetarian. She gets a little upset if I bring a fish home. She wants me to release them all, and even dislikes that I catch them in the first place. Now.... to have a spectacular trophy sitting there in the house grinning at the vegetarian on a daily basis?! Oh my... this is going to be funny! Probably not getting laid for a LONG time... but it will be funny!

08-12-2016, 12:50 PM	#12
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 653	I was actually laughing out loud in my cubicle!