Bummer in Redondo.... - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Saba Slayer · 03-10-2015, 08:34 AM

Due to a power outage on Sunday night in King Harbor, about 3000 White Sea Bass died in their growing pens near the Sea Lab. The outage caused loss of water and air to the fish, which averaged 8 to 9 inches. They were scheduled to be released next month. Fish have been removed and sacked and put in the trash.
Nearly 3,000 white seabass nursed in covered pens at a Redondo Beach science education and ocean conservation center were smothered to death when a power outage cut their oxygen supply over the weekend.
The fish were grown at SEA Lab as part of the state Department of Fish and Wildlife's Ocean Resources Enhancement and Hatchery Program, a long-term effort to reestablish strong fisheries for the croakers, whose numbers had thinned to worrisome levels until 20 years ago.
The grow pens at the Redondo Beach SEA Labproduce up to 12,000 white seabass a year in batches of 3,000 to 5,000. Statewide, about 60,000 white seabass are grown to adulthood and placed into the oceans each year as part of this experimental program.
"It's a shame the 30-some volunteers who clean the tanks, feed and raise the fish will not see their babies released into King Harbor," said Rich Ford, co-director of the White Seabass Project's Redondo Beach facility. "The fish were removed from our above-ground tanks and bagged and put in the trash."
Ford and several volunteers threw out the dead fish after discovering Monday morning that a power outage had shut down the pumps that circulate water and oxygen in the pens.
Southern California Edison spokeswoman Caroline Aoyagi-Stom said the power outage that affected King Harbor began at 3:22 p.m. Sunday when a piece of equipment failed. She did not know the exact cause or nature of the problem, but said most of the nearly 6,000 customers affected had power restored by 9:30 p.m.
Ford said the facility receives batches of young white seabass when they are about 4 inches long from a Carlsbad hatchery. They are fed and cared for at SEA Lab until they mature to 8-10 inches in length. In October, they released 8,998 fish to King Harbor.
The fish that died Sunday had been at the SEA Lab since November and were 8-9 inches long, and set to be released into King Harbor next month, he said. Another shipment from Carlsbad is expected in May. But Ford said he's disappointed he didn't get notification of the outage in time to turn on generators that circulate water and oxygen in the fish pens.
"It's kind of discouraging," Ford said. "We really do get attached to the fish.
"When we release them, they're like teenagers leaving home."

ful-rac · 03-10-2015, 08:50 AM

Oh Noooo!!!!

What a disappointment!! Damn!!

boxturtle · 03-10-2015, 08:55 AM

Wow that suks

addicted2sp33d · 03-10-2015, 09:04 AM

That's so sad. They were just babies, and they basically died from suffocation!

Lipripper92592 · 03-10-2015, 09:24 AM

Maybe time for a backup generator? That sucks, so much work for all involved.
What kind of draw do the pumps carry? Maybe some grant money could help in this situation.

ful-rac · 03-10-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lipripper92592

Maybe time for a backup generator? That sucks, so much work for all involved.
What kind of draw do the pumps carry? Maybe some grant money could help in this situation.

Sounds like they have generators...they just have to turn them on manually.

danjor · 03-10-2015, 09:43 AM

They need to get back up generators that's automatically turn on when the power fails, generators that you have to manually turn on don't help if no one is there at the time.

momo fish · 03-10-2015, 09:39 AM

Oh man that's sucks!!
Edison needs to make a donation to the center..

cell128 · 03-10-2015, 09:54 AM

Kinda same thing at my job. If the company would have invested in a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) it would have paid it self many many times over...but who am I to say

ful-rac · 03-10-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cell128

Kinda same thing at my job. If the company would have invested in a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) it would have paid it self many many times over...but who am I to say

I blame this on you Jaime! Get back to work, I'm tired of pay'n so much more for gas!

Hopefully they can get those generators to work automatically some how....

Bert Vega · 03-10-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

I blame this on you Jaime! Get back to work, I'm tired of pay'n so much more for gas!

Hopefully they can get those generators to work automatically some how....

It pretty simple. They need to install automatic transfer switches. Maybe a commercial power fail relay. So they can be notified also. We use these at our cell sites all the time. When main power fails the generator fires up almost instantly.

Saba Slayer · 03-10-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Vega

It pretty simple. They need to install automatic transfer switches. Maybe a commercial power fail relay. So they can be notified also. We use these at our cell sites all the time. When main power fails the generator fires up almost instantly.

...Kinda same thing at my job. If the company would have invested in a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) it would have paid it self many many times over...but who am I to say"
That all sounds well and good...BUT...most of our timers, feeders, and equipment is at least 10 years old. We operate on a shoestring budget. I can't remember anything lately except crowders and nets that was brought in new..it always seems to be donated or scrounged.
If you have that knowledge and would like to volunteer to help install that equipment, perhaps we can find the funds. Especially since the CCA-CAL is now involved in the White Sea Bass Project.
Please get in touch if you are interested in helping.

Bert Vega · 03-10-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

...Kinda same thing at my job. If the company would have invested in a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) it would have paid it self many many times over...but who am I to say"
That all sounds well and good...BUT...most of our timers, feeders, and equipment is at least 10 years old. We operate on a shoestring budget. I can't remember anything lately except crowders and nets that was brought in new..it always seems to be donated or scrounged.
If you have that knowledge and would like to volunteer to help install that equipment, perhaps we can find the funds. Especially since the CCA-CAL is now involved in the White Sea Bass Project.
Please get in touch if you are interested in helping.

Sent you a PM

octico · 03-10-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ful-rac

I blame this on you Jaime! Get back to work, I'm tired of pay'n so much more for gas!

Hopefully they can get those generators to work automatically some how....

+1 When all else fails blame Jaime!

Silbaugh4liberty · 03-10-2015, 12:37 PM

Why? Why do people go to UPS, when a diesel generator is the most superior type of backup? Send me a pm with the contact at that facility. I'd like to examine their load, and propose a generator for the facility.

alanw · 03-10-2015, 01:11 PM

Instead of investing money in generators and wasting other money on power for above ground tanks they should put the fish in cages like the bait barges and not worry about power outages. Then they'd also have the extra money saved from having to buy power to spend on other things. That's my 2c.

Silbaugh4liberty · 03-10-2015, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alanw

Instead of investing money in generators and wasting other money on power for above ground tanks they should put the fish in cages like the bait barges and not worry about power outages. Then they'd also have the extra money saved from having to buy power to spend on other things. That's my 2c.

True, but UPS are only good for a couple hours anyway. I'm working with the Electrical engineers managing Fashion Island and they're replacing 5 year old battery backup systems, basically a million bucks down the drain on a system that wasn't maintained. Now they're going to generators. Diesel generators will last 30-40 years no problem.

addicted2sp33d · 03-11-2015, 08:49 AM

UPS are not intended as a long-term power supply. They are only there to support a "graceful shutdown".

Anyone who tells you otherwise is not an Electrical Engineer.

Just from the language that Bert Vega is using, he knows what he's talking about.

Silbaugh4liberty · 03-11-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by addicted2sp33d

UPS are not intended as a long-term power supply. They are only there to support a "graceful shutdown".

Anyone who tells you otherwise is not an Electrical Engineer.

Just from the language that Bert Vega is using, he knows what he's talking about.

Your only going to want a UPS if all you're backing up its emergency lighting. Not pumps. And can't use UPS if it's a fire life safety, NFPA110, OSHPD, and other such facilities, which I doubt this was.

Mr Fishback · 03-11-2015, 09:14 AM

That a freaking shame... is there a better way to dispose of them than the trash? Free chum give away or something?

03-10-2015, 08:34 AM	#1
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,857	Bummer in Redondo.... Due to a power outage on Sunday night in King Harbor, about 3000 White Sea Bass died in their growing pens near the Sea Lab. The outage caused loss of water and air to the fish, which averaged 8 to 9 inches. They were scheduled to be released next month. Fish have been removed and sacked and put in the trash. Nearly 3,000 white seabass nursed in covered pens at a Redondo Beach science education and ocean conservation center were smothered to death when a power outage cut their oxygen supply over the weekend. The fish were grown at SEA Lab as part of the state Department of Fish and Wildlife's Ocean Resources Enhancement and Hatchery Program, a long-term effort to reestablish strong fisheries for the croakers, whose numbers had thinned to worrisome levels until 20 years ago. The grow pens at the Redondo Beach SEA Labproduce up to 12,000 white seabass a year in batches of 3,000 to 5,000. Statewide, about 60,000 white seabass are grown to adulthood and placed into the oceans each year as part of this experimental program. "It's a shame the 30-some volunteers who clean the tanks, feed and raise the fish will not see their babies released into King Harbor," said Rich Ford, co-director of the White Seabass Project's Redondo Beach facility. "The fish were removed from our above-ground tanks and bagged and put in the trash." Ford and several volunteers threw out the dead fish after discovering Monday morning that a power outage had shut down the pumps that circulate water and oxygen in the pens. Southern California Edison spokeswoman Caroline Aoyagi-Stom said the power outage that affected King Harbor began at 3:22 p.m. Sunday when a piece of equipment failed. She did not know the exact cause or nature of the problem, but said most of the nearly 6,000 customers affected had power restored by 9:30 p.m. Ford said the facility receives batches of young white seabass when they are about 4 inches long from a Carlsbad hatchery. They are fed and cared for at SEA Lab until they mature to 8-10 inches in length. In October, they released 8,998 fish to King Harbor. The fish that died Sunday had been at the SEA Lab since November and were 8-9 inches long, and set to be released into King Harbor next month, he said. Another shipment from Carlsbad is expected in May. But Ford said he's disappointed he didn't get notification of the outage in time to turn on generators that circulate water and oxygen in the fish pens. "It's kind of discouraging," Ford said. "We really do get attached to the fish. "When we release them, they're like teenagers leaving home." __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

03-10-2015, 08:50 AM	#2
ful-rac Emperor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Buena Park Posts: 3,649	Oh Noooo!!!! What a disappointment!! Damn!! __________________ There's nothing colder than yesterday's hotdog.

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Silbaugh4liberty Fishing Patriot Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,121	Why? Why do people go to UPS, when a diesel generator is the most superior type of backup? Send me a pm with the contact at that facility. I'd like to examine their load, and propose a generator for the facility. __________________

03-10-2015, 01:11 PM	#16
alanw Made in U.S.A. Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dana Point Posts: 1,625	Instead of investing money in generators and wasting other money on power for above ground tanks they should put the fish in cages like the bait barges and not worry about power outages. Then they'd also have the extra money saved from having to buy power to spend on other things. That's my 2c. __________________ Hobie PA 14 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Jackson Kraken ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu X-Factor ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu Stealth-12 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Its not a spelling B its a fishing B ~yakjoe

03-10-2015, 08:55 AM	#3
boxturtle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 291	Wow that suks

03-10-2015, 09:04 AM	#4
addicted2sp33d Here fishy fishy fishy... Join Date: May 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 774	That's so sad. They were just babies, and they basically died from suffocation!

03-10-2015, 09:24 AM	#5
Lipripper92592 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 516	Maybe time for a backup generator? That sucks, so much work for all involved. What kind of draw do the pumps carry? Maybe some grant money could help in this situation.

03-10-2015, 09:43 AM	#7
danjor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Riverside CA Posts: 673	They need to get back up generators that's automatically turn on when the power fails, generators that you have to manually turn on don't help if no one is there at the time.

03-10-2015, 09:39 AM	#8
momo fish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Camarillo Posts: 1,491	Oh man that's sucks!! Edison needs to make a donation to the center..

03-10-2015, 09:54 AM	#9
cell128 lizard king Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Lakewood Posts: 520	Kinda same thing at my job. If the company would have invested in a UPS (uninterrupted power supply) it would have paid it self many many times over...but who am I to say

03-11-2015, 08:49 AM	#18
addicted2sp33d Here fishy fishy fishy... Join Date: May 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 774	UPS are not intended as a long-term power supply. They are only there to support a "graceful shutdown". Anyone who tells you otherwise is not an Electrical Engineer. Just from the language that Bert Vega is using, he knows what he's talking about.

03-11-2015, 09:14 AM	#20
Mr Fishback Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 71	That a freaking shame... is there a better way to dispose of them than the trash? Free chum give away or something?