Newb Bait questions. - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dmanars · 05-17-2014, 11:12 PM

Reading posts, I see that there are live baits being used.
Im not used to using live bait for BTB.
I see the most common are mackerel and Squid.

When you say bait is easy are you referring to jigging for squid?
And how are you catching mackerel? spoons?

Cadillyak · 05-18-2014, 12:57 AM

Probably macs using sabiki rigs.

taggermike · 05-18-2014, 08:23 AM

Most yakers use sibikis to catch bait locally. Squid can be caught on sibikis as well but usually go for the squid jigs better. Saying bait is easy just means bait was easy to catch, no matter what kind. Typically pacific mackerel(called green macs or greenies) are the preferred bait, but you catch smelt, sardines, and Spanish mackerel(brown mackerel or Spanish jacks) on sibikis as well. Some times one of these other baits are all you can find. They don't troll as well as greenies but do catch fish. I've caught YT, calicos, cuda, halibut, and bonito on every one of the above baits. Bring a few sibikis of different sizes, and a size selection of live bait hooks so you'll be ready for what's out there. Mike

Silbaugh4liberty · 05-18-2014, 07:52 PM

I don't have much luck on the squid type sibiki, usually the foil or shrimp kind works best for bait fish IMO. Caught plenty of sculpin on the squid sibiki while trying to get some macks though! !

momo fish · 05-18-2014, 08:26 PM

Question. Anyone ever catch chovies?? Is it possible to catch on sabiki rig?

Silbaugh4liberty · 05-21-2014, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by momo fish

Question. Anyone ever catch chovies?? Is it possible to catch on sabiki rig?

Took my son, nephew and nieces to hb pier a few times and there were large schools of anchovies. Between three poles they got about 100 anchovies on the sibiki in about an hour.

Fish Taco · 05-18-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dmanars

Im not used to using live bait for BTB.

At the risk of sounding like a "googan", I'm having a brain fart and currently can't figure out the heck the acronym for "BTB"... will someone kindly clue me in please?

Thx

MrPatrick · 05-18-2014, 08:54 PM

Beyond the breakers

Or as I call it "A future destination"!

Had to beat you guys to it.

I have been BTB many times, was just having a James Blunt moment the day of the Derby.

Anchovies are Plankton eaters, very doubtful on a sabiki unless you snag them.

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Fish Taco · 05-20-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPatrick

Beyond the breakers

Or as I call it "A future destination"!

I have been BTB many times, was just having a James Blunt moment the day of the Derby.

Mr. Patrick,

Thank you! In my mind I was thinking that "BTB" was a species of fish or something... hadn't even thought of "Beyond The Breakers"... doh!

- Ken

dmanars · 05-20-2014, 11:49 PM

Thanks for the info. Being from the Texas coast I have to catch up on the lingo on the west coast. We didnt use much live bait. Or at least I didnt. Also my lingo may not match Ill try to adjust.

MrPatrick · 05-18-2014, 08:56 PM

Eagle Claw makes a circle hook sabiki that I like a lot. Easy to get them off the hook.

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GregAndrew · 05-20-2014, 09:03 AM

You can catch Anchovies on the Sabiki, but they can be finicky. Choose the small ones without the plastic beads in size 12 or 14. Just like other fish and lure combos, presentation can make the difference between not getting hit and having a great day. Jigging straight up and down, casting out with a small weight for a slow sink and dragging your sabiki are just a few methods you can try for all baitfish.

If you are looking for Squid, use a Squid gangion with a weighted Squid jig on the end. If there are a lot of Pacific Mackerel around, then use a sinker instead of the jig on the end.

05-17-2014, 11:12 PM	#1
dmanars Junior Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 14	Newb Bait questions. Reading posts, I see that there are live baits being used. Im not used to using live bait for BTB. I see the most common are mackerel and Squid. When you say bait is easy are you referring to jigging for squid? And how are you catching mackerel? spoons?

05-18-2014, 12:57 AM	#2
Cadillyak Team Get $$ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 841	Probably macs using sabiki rigs. __________________ The "Y" is silent 2012 Olive PA 12 2011 Papaya Outback

05-18-2014, 07:52 PM	#4
Silbaugh4liberty Fishing Patriot Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,121	I don't have much luck on the squid type sibiki, usually the foil or shrimp kind works best for bait fish IMO. Caught plenty of sculpin on the squid sibiki while trying to get some macks though! ! __________________

05-18-2014, 08:23 AM	#3
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	Most yakers use sibikis to catch bait locally. Squid can be caught on sibikis as well but usually go for the squid jigs better. Saying bait is easy just means bait was easy to catch, no matter what kind. Typically pacific mackerel(called green macs or greenies) are the preferred bait, but you catch smelt, sardines, and Spanish mackerel(brown mackerel or Spanish jacks) on sibikis as well. Some times one of these other baits are all you can find. They don't troll as well as greenies but do catch fish. I've caught YT, calicos, cuda, halibut, and bonito on every one of the above baits. Bring a few sibikis of different sizes, and a size selection of live bait hooks so you'll be ready for what's out there. Mike

05-18-2014, 08:26 PM	#5
momo fish Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Camarillo Posts: 1,491	Question. Anyone ever catch chovies?? Is it possible to catch on sabiki rig?

05-18-2014, 08:54 PM	#8
MrPatrick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Waiting to launch Posts: 1,381	Beyond the breakers Or as I call it "A future destination"! Had to beat you guys to it. I have been BTB many times, was just having a James Blunt moment the day of the Derby. Anchovies are Plankton eaters, very doubtful on a sabiki unless you snag them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

05-20-2014, 11:49 PM	#10
dmanars Junior Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 14	Thanks for the info. Being from the Texas coast I have to catch up on the lingo on the west coast. We didnt use much live bait. Or at least I didnt. Also my lingo may not match Ill try to adjust.

05-18-2014, 08:56 PM	#11
MrPatrick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Waiting to launch Posts: 1,381	Eagle Claw makes a circle hook sabiki that I like a lot. Easy to get them off the hook. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

05-20-2014, 09:03 AM	#12
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	You can catch Anchovies on the Sabiki, but they can be finicky. Choose the small ones without the plastic beads in size 12 or 14. Just like other fish and lure combos, presentation can make the difference between not getting hit and having a great day. Jigging straight up and down, casting out with a small weight for a slow sink and dragging your sabiki are just a few methods you can try for all baitfish. If you are looking for Squid, use a Squid gangion with a weighted Squid jig on the end. If there are a lot of Pacific Mackerel around, then use a sinker instead of the jig on the end.