Question on handling BSB - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

FISHIONADO · 02-10-2011, 11:53 AM

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California Outdoors Q & A: Photographing No-Take Species

Question: I fish in Southern California and have a question about black sea bass. I know they are illegal to keep when caught. However, when they are caught while targeting other species, what is the regulation for releasing them? After the hook is removed and swim bladder punctured, may a picture be taken with the fish out of the water before it is released? I am under the impression they may not be removed from the water. I ask because a friend of mine accidentally caught a small black sea bass (about 30 lbs.) and after removing the hook and puncturing the swim bladder, he held it up and posed for a quick picture with the fish. I told him I didn't think that was legal and he argued it was. He did release the fish immediately after the photo was taken, and the fish swam off, apparently unharmed. I've searched the website for clarification, but have found nothing. Can you please clarify this issue for me? We are very conscientious fisherman. (Dave L.)

Answer: Giant (black) sea bass and other no-take species cannot be retained and must be released immediately. Therefore, holding the fish out of the water for a picture is unlawful. The best case scenario for the fish would be to cut the line while it is still in the water.

The definition of "take" is to "hunt, pursue, catch, capture or kill an animal, or to attempt to do so" (California Code of Regulations Title 14, Section 1.80). So, by catching the fish, reeling it in, taking it off the hook and holding it up for a picture, your friend has "taken" a prohibited species. He also did not release it immediately as required.

Department of Fish and Game (DFG) Associate Marine Biologist Ed Roberts published a great article on best practices for releasing rockfish, giant sea bass and other fish with swim bladders that inflate at the surface, thus preventing them from ascending successfully following capture. The article was published in the January/February 2005 issue of Outdoor California magazine, available online at www.dfg.ca.gov/ocal/archives/J_F_05_16-19.pdf.

Needles and sharp objects should never be used to deflate a fish's swim bladder. Even though the fish may be able to descend below the surface following a puncture, many will still die due to internal damage and/or the introduction of bacteria caused by the needles.

** See underwater video of Giant Sea Bass at https://californiaoutdoors.wordpress.com ***

bubblehide · 02-10-2011, 12:37 PM

"The definition of "take" is to "hunt, pursue, catch, capture or kill an animal, or to attempt to do so" (California Code of Regulations Title 14, Section 1.80). So, by catching the fish, reeling it in, taking it off the hook and holding it up for a picture, your friend has "taken" a prohibited species. He also did not release it immediately as required."

I have hooked and brought Black Sea Bass to the surface; which clearly is not "take" as there was no intent to target that species. IMHO, holding a fish for a picture does not meet the F&G definition of "take' either, as we intend to release the fish.

IMHO the concern here is in the fish surviving. Simply catching and reeling a fish to the surface (although legal) stresses the fish, any handling may stress the fish more. Using needles can introduce bacteria...

Yet I'm not sure of the intent of your post, were you asking a question? Giving your opinion? attempting to inform us?

Jimmyz123 · 02-10-2011, 12:54 PM

I know a guy who actually will target them and catch them, take pictures, and doesn't care what anyone says to him about breaking the law. I have read many times that once you realize the fish is a Black Sea Bass, you should cut the line and take less risk of hurting the fish more. Some DFG officers will interpret the law how they feel is right, some will nail you the moment they see you touching the fish, some will say, "Sure, take a pic, but you better let it go." However if they know that you have a BSB on the line they will watch everything that happens. Would I love to catch one, sure, do I want to risk one killing over because I wanted that photo of one, No.

I will not be shocked if within 5 years there is a lift or a catch limit placed on the BSB and they are open target again. I can see them saying a 1 fish limit per angler or boat or something. Their numbers are coming back and I do see them being taken off the do not keep list. However the way our DFG does things it may never happen also.

Do some google searches on that subject and you'll find a lot of information about it.

bubblehide · 02-10-2011, 12:57 PM

Jimmy, I don't see a one fish limit, as I think that could decimate the population in no time at all; But I could see a one fish per year limit, and I'd welcome it.

FISHIONADO · 02-10-2011, 01:00 PM

I just got the email press release email and thought I would pass it on, I recognize their are a lot of new people on the board that may be unaware. The person who asked the DFG that question was a dip shit because he thought he should puncture the bladder. It is so easy to educate your self. :-)

bubblehide · 02-10-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

I just got the email press release email and thought I would pass it on, I recognize their are a lot of new people on the board that may be unaware. The person who asked the DFG that question was a dip shit because he thought he should puncture the bladder. It is so easy to educate your self. :-)

Thanks for clarifying that, your title made me think you had a question in there somewhere. Yet, I don't think there is a clear cut way (one size fits all) of responsibly releasing them; some knowledge and common sense can go a long way.

Jimmyz123 · 02-10-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bubblehide

Jimmy, I don't see a one fish limit, as I think that could decimate the population in no time at all; But I could see a one fish per year limit, and I'd welcome it.

They would have to sell a report card thing or something like that, and I could see that happening.

bubblehide · 02-10-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyz123

They would have to cell a report card thing or something like that, and I could see that happening.

I think you read my mind.

dorado50 · 02-10-2011, 03:13 PM

Lets see, there are at least 180,00 (calif)fishing licenses issued each year??? One BSB taken per angler per year.... yea that math looks good to me. Just release the fish and make sure it swims away healthy.

chris138 · 02-10-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

Answer: Giant (black) sea bass and other no-take species cannot be retained and must be released immediately. Therefore, holding the fish out of the water for a picture is unlawful. The best case scenario for the fish would be to cut the line while it is still in the water.

This might not be the best case scenerio for releasing a BSB. If the fish is caught at depth (greater than say 66' and especially 100' or more), the gasses contained in various cavities will expand to triple their volume at the surface. These fish often need assistance in equilibrating before they can be released. If you just cut the hook off, you might actually be decreasing its chances of survival. For those with mirage drive you can just hold it by the lip and drag it around in the water until it farts and burps up all the excess gas. For paddlers its a little more difficult. The idea is to keep water running over its gills while the fish is decompressing. The fish will swim away when it's ready, until then it will just lay there not too stoked on life.

bubblehide · 02-10-2011, 01:03 PM

Chris, good point. I've also seen the roll in the line, getting all tangled, and requiring "handling" to cut them lose. They would have simply had no chance at survival otherwise.

02-10-2011, 11:53 AM	#1
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	Question on handling BSB FYI California Department of Fish and Game News Release NEWS RELEASES FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE : February 10, 2011 California Outdoors Q & A: Photographing No-Take Species Question: I fish in Southern California and have a question about black sea bass. I know they are illegal to keep when caught. However, when they are caught while targeting other species, what is the regulation for releasing them? After the hook is removed and swim bladder punctured, may a picture be taken with the fish out of the water before it is released? I am under the impression they may not be removed from the water. I ask because a friend of mine accidentally caught a small black sea bass (about 30 lbs.) and after removing the hook and puncturing the swim bladder, he held it up and posed for a quick picture with the fish. I told him I didn't think that was legal and he argued it was. He did release the fish immediately after the photo was taken, and the fish swam off, apparently unharmed. I've searched the website for clarification, but have found nothing. Can you please clarify this issue for me? We are very conscientious fisherman. (Dave L.) Answer: Giant (black) sea bass and other no-take species cannot be retained and must be released immediately. Therefore, holding the fish out of the water for a picture is unlawful. The best case scenario for the fish would be to cut the line while it is still in the water. The definition of "take" is to "hunt, pursue, catch, capture or kill an animal, or to attempt to do so" (California Code of Regulations Title 14, Section 1.80). So, by catching the fish, reeling it in, taking it off the hook and holding it up for a picture, your friend has "taken" a prohibited species. He also did not release it immediately as required. Department of Fish and Game (DFG) Associate Marine Biologist Ed Roberts published a great article on best practices for releasing rockfish, giant sea bass and other fish with swim bladders that inflate at the surface, thus preventing them from ascending successfully following capture. The article was published in the January/February 2005 issue of Outdoor California magazine, available online at www.dfg.ca.gov/ocal/archives/J_F_05_16-19.pdf. Needles and sharp objects should never be used to deflate a fish's swim bladder. Even though the fish may be able to descend below the surface following a puncture, many will still die due to internal damage and/or the introduction of bacteria caused by the needles. See underwater video of Giant Sea Bass at https://californiaoutdoors.wordpress.com * Last edited by FISHIONADO; 02-10-2011 at 12:57 PM.

02-10-2011, 12:37 PM	#2
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	"The definition of "take" is to "hunt, pursue, catch, capture or kill an animal, or to attempt to do so" (California Code of Regulations Title 14, Section 1.80). So, by catching the fish, reeling it in, taking it off the hook and holding it up for a picture, your friend has "taken" a prohibited species. He also did not release it immediately as required." I have hooked and brought Black Sea Bass to the surface; which clearly is not "take" as there was no intent to target that species. IMHO, holding a fish for a picture does not meet the F&G definition of "take' either, as we intend to release the fish. IMHO the concern here is in the fish surviving. Simply catching and reeling a fish to the surface (although legal) stresses the fish, any handling may stress the fish more. Using needles can introduce bacteria... Yet I'm not sure of the intent of your post, were you asking a question? Giving your opinion? attempting to inform us?

02-10-2011, 12:54 PM	#3
Jimmyz123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,385	I know a guy who actually will target them and catch them, take pictures, and doesn't care what anyone says to him about breaking the law. I have read many times that once you realize the fish is a Black Sea Bass, you should cut the line and take less risk of hurting the fish more. Some DFG officers will interpret the law how they feel is right, some will nail you the moment they see you touching the fish, some will say, "Sure, take a pic, but you better let it go." However if they know that you have a BSB on the line they will watch everything that happens. Would I love to catch one, sure, do I want to risk one killing over because I wanted that photo of one, No. I will not be shocked if within 5 years there is a lift or a catch limit placed on the BSB and they are open target again. I can see them saying a 1 fish limit per angler or boat or something. Their numbers are coming back and I do see them being taken off the do not keep list. However the way our DFG does things it may never happen also. Do some google searches on that subject and you'll find a lot of information about it.

02-10-2011, 12:57 PM	#4
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	Jimmy, I don't see a one fish limit, as I think that could decimate the population in no time at all; But I could see a one fish per year limit, and I'd welcome it.

02-10-2011, 01:00 PM	#5
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I just got the email press release email and thought I would pass it on, I recognize their are a lot of new people on the board that may be unaware. The person who asked the DFG that question was a dip shit because he thought he should puncture the bladder. It is so easy to educate your self. :-)

02-10-2011, 03:13 PM	#9
dorado50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla Shores Posts: 1,626	Lets see, there are at least 180,00 (calif)fishing licenses issued each year??? One BSB taken per angler per year.... yea that math looks good to me. Just release the fish and make sure it swims away healthy.

02-10-2011, 01:03 PM	#11
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	Chris, good point. I've also seen the roll in the line, getting all tangled, and requiring "handling" to cut them lose. They would have simply had no chance at survival otherwise.