Mirage Drive GT Upgrade - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Lipripper92592 · 01-19-2015, 02:07 PM

Andy from OEX hooked up the parts, he shipped them and they were here the next day. After covering more water than usual Saturday I decided to put the new GT parts in. Below is a tutorial on the breakdown, cleanup and installation of the new GT parts which consist of roller bearings rather than bushings.
One thing to note before you open up your parts. Do not remove the tape and "ear" plugs from the parts. The needles bearings will fall out, and you will have a mess on your hands. Just use the SS shafts to push out the pugs when putting the parts back together. Grease the "Needle Bearings" with marine grade grease by dropping the "needles out" and dipping in marine grease. Place back in the housing, the grease will hold it in place until you put the shafts in.

1: Remove Cables, Idler and Sprocket. I labeled mine, front, rear and idler.

2: Pull off Peddles from main shaft.

3: Clean main shaft with fine steel wool

4: Remove Peddles from Cam (9/16th)

5: Bolt New GT Cam to existing pedal

6: Remove Idler Pulley, clean shaft with steel wool and install GT Pulley
use hex wrench to back pin out, pull shaft, clean, install reverse order. Remove needles bearings and dip in marine grease. Put back in, the grease will keep it in place.

7: Remove Cotter Pins from turbo fin masts, and slide fins off.

8: Loosen Hex set screw on Main shaft, and push shaft out with screw driver or appropriate tool or said liking.

9: Remove Masts from sprocket with crescent wrench or small open end wrench

10: Line up new GT sprocket, do not remove tape, push in the drive main shaft and allow it to push out the "ear" plug, then remove tape as shaft is pushing the plug out. Do the same for the second shaft. Make sure to line up the flat portion of the drive main shaft (center area) with the hex set screw.
Once the shaft is centered, tighten set screw.

11: Using thread locker put the mast back in the sprockets. Slide on fins and put cotter pins back.

12: Now you are ready to put the cams/pedals back on the main shaft. Remove the plastic ring that is holding the needle bearings in, (it tears off), then line up the main shaft and slide it onto the sprocket. The plastic guide/retainer will back out, keeping the needle bearings in place. Do not allow the sprocket to slide off the main shaft or you will have needle bearings all over the place. Do this to both sides, then use a zip tie to bind them together.

13: Put the idler cable back on first, lining up the fins in the bottom center position. Then put the sprocket cables back on and tighten up.

Now you have an Upgraded GT Mirage drive with needle bearings rather than bushings.

Lipripper92592 · 01-19-2015, 02:08 PM

The rest of the pictures as I'm limited to 10 pictures per post.

Rambo · 01-19-2015, 02:28 PM

Awesome write up and DIY instruction dude.

YakDout · 01-19-2015, 02:37 PM

Very nice write up. I will be using this in a few days for my drive.

Oxbeast1210 · 01-19-2015, 02:42 PM

Nice write up brother
do you mind if I put a link to it on the forum i'm on in FL?

Thanks

Lipripper92592 · 01-19-2015, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxbeast1210

Nice write up brother
do you mind if I put a link to it on the forum i'm on in FL?

Thanks

Absolutely, just make sure to include to add marine grease to the bearings. I'm going to update the post to include this.

Iceman · 01-19-2015, 02:44 PM

First off thanks for taking the time to post this up!

Augh! after talking to you on the phone I tore one of the factory built ones from a showroom kayak apart and they are using marine grease in conjunction with the roller bearings. On the older ones it was obvious as you could see grease seeping out of the exposed edges, they must be using less as I could not see any at all Sorry, but you need to grease em!

Lipripper92592 · 01-19-2015, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman

First off thanks for taking the time to post this up!

Augh! after talking to you on the phone I tore one of the factory built ones from a showroom kayak apart and they are using marine grease in conjunction with the roller bearings. On the older ones it was obvious as you could see grease seeping out of the exposed edges, they must be using less as I could not see any at all Sorry, but you need to grease em!

No worries Andy, I need to work on my rebuild times anyways. Do you have any ideas in mind that would allow you to put the grease in without disturbing the needles bearing arrangement?

YakDout · 01-24-2015, 07:24 PM

Built my GT drive today. A couple things that were a PITA were the needle bearings in the sprockets due to their length. I ended up pulling every pin from every bearing to fill will some marine grease. Actually wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The chains fought me for a bit too. This was my first time doing anything to a mirage drive and I felt it was time to learn what I'm using. Thank you LIPRIPPER for the write up. Followed it and it worked to a tee. And thank you ICEMAN and OEX Sb for the parts. Will follow up once tested on water.

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Lipripper92592 · 01-25-2015, 08:13 AM

I too found the chains to be tricky the first time, and the center cog, a PIA. But here is what I ended up doing.
Fold the chain in half, use a sharpie to mark both sides of that center link.
Put the chain in, and press the marked link on the "square" cog. The square cog is the center one on the sprocket. The rest of the links should easily lay down.
And yes there are a few "needles"

YakDout · 01-25-2015, 08:48 AM

Thank you. I did notice that the center tooth on sprocket is square. It is easy to tell which link goes in that tooth because there are only 7 total links. The problem I was running into is that the links did not want to seat all the way down on the new sprocket. Once I started to tighten everything back up, it finally pulled the links onto the teeth correctly.

Iceman · 01-26-2015, 04:10 PM

Quote:

The problem I was running into is that the links did not want to seat all the way down on the new sprocket. Once I started to tighten everything back up, it finally pulled the links onto the teeth correctly.

For whatever reason I run into some that are way harder to match the chain up. You guys need to log some time on the water for field testing..............that is an order

alanw · 01-26-2015, 05:29 PM

It looks like you are replacing the sprockets and retaining the old chain? Mechanically speaking, it's usually not a good idea to replace sprockets without new chains to go with it. An old (stretched) chain will cause unusual wear on a new sprocket. A new chain on an old (worn) sprocket will decrease the life of the chain. I'm not sure how much wear is involved in the Hobie parts, but it's something to think about at least.

Reelist · 02-03-2015, 06:30 AM

Upgraded to Glide Technology. The difference is night and day, and I drive a PA 14.

Oxbeast1210 · 02-04-2015, 07:50 PM

Just finished my Drive Thank you for the instructions made it easy!

Thank you for the parts and fast shipping Iceman

Maxfli123 · 11-01-2015, 02:28 PM

Anyone have issues with it the upgraded drive making a clicking sound? It happens when the peddles are fully extended...on the way back down it clicks and I can't see anything hitting or catching.

Iceman · 11-01-2015, 06:42 PM

See if the pedal arm is rubbing on the idler pulley or possibly the play in the sizing holes in the drum.

Maxfli123 · 11-02-2015, 01:44 PM

Thanks for the reply iceman. I checked and double checked. Finally I got my flashlight and after checking all the spots I thought it could be, I was stumped as I could not find the culprit. I kept looking to find the the cause was the new gt bearings themselves. The sprocket has some long plastic rod bearings that pop instead of roll. If I fully extend the drive the bearings seems to get caught up on something and they skip, pop, click whatever you want to call it. I thought this to be odd so I switched the fins to see if the problem persisted, and it did. I'm taking the sprocket back today I hope they don't give me a hard time with the exchange as it looks perfect, and rolls perfect off the drive shaft just as soon as you put it on under pressure it buckles...I hope this is just a fluke.

01-19-2015, 02:44 PM	#7
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,943	First off thanks for taking the time to post this up! Augh! after talking to you on the phone I tore one of the factory built ones from a showroom kayak apart and they are using marine grease in conjunction with the roller bearings. On the older ones it was obvious as you could see grease seeping out of the exposed edges, they must be using less as I could not see any at all Sorry, but you need to grease em! __________________

01-26-2015, 05:29 PM	#13
alanw Made in U.S.A. Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dana Point Posts: 1,625	It looks like you are replacing the sprockets and retaining the old chain? Mechanically speaking, it's usually not a good idea to replace sprockets without new chains to go with it. An old (stretched) chain will cause unusual wear on a new sprocket. A new chain on an old (worn) sprocket will decrease the life of the chain. I'm not sure how much wear is involved in the Hobie parts, but it's something to think about at least. __________________ Hobie PA 14 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Jackson Kraken ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu X-Factor ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Malibu Stealth-12 ¸.·´¯`·.´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><(((º> Its not a spelling B its a fishing B ~yakjoe

11-01-2015, 06:42 PM	#17
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,943	See if the pedal arm is rubbing on the idler pulley or possibly the play in the sizing holes in the drum. __________________

01-19-2015, 02:28 PM	#3
Rambo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 434	Awesome write up and DIY instruction dude.

01-19-2015, 02:37 PM	#4
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	Very nice write up. I will be using this in a few days for my drive.

01-19-2015, 02:42 PM	#5
Oxbeast1210 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 421	Nice write up brother do you mind if I put a link to it on the forum i'm on in FL? Thanks

01-24-2015, 07:24 PM	#9
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	Built my GT drive today. A couple things that were a PITA were the needle bearings in the sprockets due to their length. I ended up pulling every pin from every bearing to fill will some marine grease. Actually wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The chains fought me for a bit too. This was my first time doing anything to a mirage drive and I felt it was time to learn what I'm using. Thank you LIPRIPPER for the write up. Followed it and it worked to a tee. And thank you ICEMAN and OEX Sb for the parts. Will follow up once tested on water. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1422159892.320234.jpg

01-25-2015, 08:13 AM	#10
Lipripper92592 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 516	I too found the chains to be tricky the first time, and the center cog, a PIA. But here is what I ended up doing. Fold the chain in half, use a sharpie to mark both sides of that center link. Put the chain in, and press the marked link on the "square" cog. The square cog is the center one on the sprocket. The rest of the links should easily lay down. And yes there are a few "needles"

01-25-2015, 08:48 AM	#11
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	Thank you. I did notice that the center tooth on sprocket is square. It is easy to tell which link goes in that tooth because there are only 7 total links. The problem I was running into is that the links did not want to seat all the way down on the new sprocket. Once I started to tighten everything back up, it finally pulled the links onto the teeth correctly.

02-03-2015, 06:30 AM	#14
Reelist Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 40	Upgraded to Glide Technology. The difference is night and day, and I drive a PA 14.

11-01-2015, 02:28 PM	#16
Maxfli123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 116	Anyone have issues with it the upgraded drive making a clicking sound? It happens when the peddles are fully extended...on the way back down it clicks and I can't see anything hitting or catching.

11-02-2015, 01:44 PM	#18
Maxfli123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 116	Thanks for the reply iceman. I checked and double checked. Finally I got my flashlight and after checking all the spots I thought it could be, I was stumped as I could not find the culprit. I kept looking to find the the cause was the new gt bearings themselves. The sprocket has some long plastic rod bearings that pop instead of roll. If I fully extend the drive the bearings seems to get caught up on something and they skip, pop, click whatever you want to call it. I thought this to be odd so I switched the fins to see if the problem persisted, and it did. I'm taking the sprocket back today I hope they don't give me a hard time with the exchange as it looks perfect, and rolls perfect off the drive shaft just as soon as you put it on under pressure it buckles...I hope this is just a fluke.