Spectra - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Murray · 06-30-2015, 05:35 PM

Went 0 for 2 today. Got kelped on both fish with mono. Using 500 style reels and notice that alot of guys use smaller reels. Can I use mono as a backing and add spectra on top? If so, how much and what test would be recommended. One angler on the beach suggested a 6 ft. fluro leader at 30 lb test. Wondering if the fluro or mono leader will break when it hits the kelp. Any suggestions appreciated.

Caseym · 06-30-2015, 06:10 PM

This is a really good question and Im curious to hear everyone's input. Ive heard 65 lb. braid with 30 lb. fluoro leader. Trying to go that route myself. Dunno about the mono backing.
-Mazer

bubblehide · 06-30-2015, 06:17 PM

Murray, mono heat up and weakens pretty easily, like being run through kelp. Floro is much more abrasion resistant. Spectra, when moving cuts through kelp, thus lands more fish. So the idea the guy on the beach tried to convey to you, is right on the money. If you load your reels with spectra, and tie on a short topshot of floro, and a fish takes you into the kelp, you can either reel in, and slowly cut through the kelp; or if you are unable to reel in, loosen your drag and allow the fish to take line, thus slowly cutting through the kelp. The idea is to allow your line to keep moving, in one direction of the other, and let the spectra do it's job.

As far as small reels, todays reels are geared very differently than those Pens of yesteryear, and as such, with spectra they have very good line capacity, better and more drag capability, and with the taller gears, more torque to help fight the fish.

iethinker · 06-30-2015, 07:04 PM

HMMM...What weight mono? Did the line snap or did you pull the hook? Did you give-up and cut it off? I have seen people pull YT from the kelp with 20-lb mono. I do prefer the braid to flouro approach myself. Keep the line moving as bubblehide says.

FISH11 · 06-30-2015, 07:06 PM

Braid is awesome, not only light, thinner, stronger, but it cut through the kelp. You can feel the braid cut through the stringers as you feel the pop of each one being cut. I use 65lb braid on the entire spool and then attach a 6-8' leader of fluorocarbon in 40lb test. I tie the two using an Alberto knot (modified albright, collins) what ever you want to call it. It's just about the same knot.

JayB619 · 07-02-2015, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FISH11

Braid is awesome, not only light, thinner, stronger, but it cut through the kelp. You can feel the braid cut through the stringers as you feel the pop of each one being cut. I use 65lb braid on the entire spool and then attach a 6-8' leader of fluorocarbon in 40lb test. I tie the two using an Alberto knot (modified albright, collins) what ever you want to call it. It's just about the same knot.

Same set up for me with a 2/0 ringed owner hook on the business end

ful-rac · 06-30-2015, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Murray

Went 0 for 2 today. Got kelped on both fish with mono. Using 500 style reels and notice that alot of guys use smaller reels. Can I use mono as a backing and add spectra on top? If so, how much and what test would be recommended. One angler on the beach suggested a 6 ft. fluro leader at 30 lb test. Wondering if the fluro or mono leader will break when it hits the kelp. Any suggestions appreciated.

Sure you can use mono as backing if you can't afford it...but if you can afford to do so it would be more appropriate to use solid spectra for your backing. I like to use 40 floro, just so you can pull harder to keep that fish outta kelp and away from seals.

Murray · 07-01-2015, 05:28 AM

Thanks for the info guys. Any braid color and manufacturer suggestions?

bubblehide · 07-01-2015, 05:57 AM

Murray, if someone doesn't cover it, I'll post up this evening, I am short on time right now. But keep in mind, it's not all about the line, you will also want a parabolic rod; I'll go over that also if someone else doesn't.

Gotta run!

alfsteur · 07-01-2015, 06:23 AM

No mono backing for me, I lost a big YT a while back with that set up. I'm certainly no expert, but 65lb braid to 40lb fluoro worked well for me.

619-SWIM-DOG · 07-01-2015, 06:38 AM

50lb Braid to two arms lengths of 40lb Floro.................

bubblehide · 07-01-2015, 08:44 PM

Murray, most guys that fish sport boats want white or yellow spectra, so they can easily see and follow their line; a few fish blue so it blends in with the water better. But pretty much everyone uses floro topshots. Most kayak guys use green, as they want it to blend into the usually shallow waters they fish (compared to the open water sport boat fisherman); again with floro topshots.

Mono stretches, and back in the day, when everyone was fishing mono, or long mono topshots (100 yards or more) stiffer non-parabolic rods were all the rage, like the Calstar Grafighters. However, spectra does not stretch, and a short floro topshot really does not provide any stretch, so fisherman have turned to parbolic rods (Seeker happened to be on top of this while Calstar was still stuck on their Graphfighters, and subsequently gained in the market). So why is all this important, well you need some give when fighting a fish, for 2 reasons, one, it's just plan hard on you. 2, so you don't go pulling hooks; and to maintain tension when a fish thrashes it's head back and forth. So now, with short topshots, the rod is now doing what stretchy mono did. Don't get me wrong, you still want a rod with good back bone, but with a softer/slower action instead of a fast action as the Graphfighters are known for.

Hope that helps.

yak-fishing-socal · 07-01-2015, 10:27 PM

30lbs to 65lbs braid with a 6 to 10 foot topshot of mono 20lbs /30lbs. gives a little when they strike hard Attached with a double uni knot

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Murray · 07-02-2015, 04:28 AM

One last question guys. What color and size of sabiki is everyone using for La Jolla macs. Thanks again.

YakDout · 07-02-2015, 05:53 AM

Number 4 or 6 (4 hook) hyabusa squid sabiki. Multiple color mini squid sabiki that works.

06-30-2015, 05:35 PM	#1
Murray Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Vista Posts: 326	Spectra Went 0 for 2 today. Got kelped on both fish with mono. Using 500 style reels and notice that alot of guys use smaller reels. Can I use mono as a backing and add spectra on top? If so, how much and what test would be recommended. One angler on the beach suggested a 6 ft. fluro leader at 30 lb test. Wondering if the fluro or mono leader will break when it hits the kelp. Any suggestions appreciated.

06-30-2015, 07:04 PM	#4
iethinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Inland Empire Posts: 370	mono? HMMM...What weight mono? Did the line snap or did you pull the hook? Did you give-up and cut it off? I have seen people pull YT from the kelp with 20-lb mono. I do prefer the braid to flouro approach myself. Keep the line moving as bubblehide says.

06-30-2015, 07:06 PM	#5
FISH11 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Pine Valley when not fishing La Jolla Posts: 2,642	Braid is awesome, not only light, thinner, stronger, but it cut through the kelp. You can feel the braid cut through the stringers as you feel the pop of each one being cut. I use 65lb braid on the entire spool and then attach a 6-8' leader of fluorocarbon in 40lb test. I tie the two using an Alberto knot (modified albright, collins) what ever you want to call it. It's just about the same knot. __________________ MARK ......... 2016 MALIBU X FACTOR, 2020 SOLO SKIFF (Fishing Kayak on Steroids )

07-02-2015, 04:28 AM	#14
Murray Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Vista Posts: 326	Sabiki for La Jolla One last question guys. What color and size of sabiki is everyone using for La Jolla macs. Thanks again.

06-30-2015, 06:10 PM	#2
Caseym Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Temecula Posts: 194	This is a really good question and Im curious to hear everyone's input. Ive heard 65 lb. braid with 30 lb. fluoro leader. Trying to go that route myself. Dunno about the mono backing. -Mazer

06-30-2015, 06:17 PM	#3
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	Murray, mono heat up and weakens pretty easily, like being run through kelp. Floro is much more abrasion resistant. Spectra, when moving cuts through kelp, thus lands more fish. So the idea the guy on the beach tried to convey to you, is right on the money. If you load your reels with spectra, and tie on a short topshot of floro, and a fish takes you into the kelp, you can either reel in, and slowly cut through the kelp; or if you are unable to reel in, loosen your drag and allow the fish to take line, thus slowly cutting through the kelp. The idea is to allow your line to keep moving, in one direction of the other, and let the spectra do it's job. As far as small reels, todays reels are geared very differently than those Pens of yesteryear, and as such, with spectra they have very good line capacity, better and more drag capability, and with the taller gears, more torque to help fight the fish.

07-01-2015, 05:28 AM	#8
Murray Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Vista Posts: 326	Thanks for the info guys. Any braid color and manufacturer suggestions?

07-01-2015, 05:57 AM	#9
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	Murray, if someone doesn't cover it, I'll post up this evening, I am short on time right now. But keep in mind, it's not all about the line, you will also want a parabolic rod; I'll go over that also if someone else doesn't. Gotta run!

07-01-2015, 06:23 AM	#10
alfsteur Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: San Diego Posts: 128	No mono backing for me, I lost a big YT a while back with that set up. I'm certainly no expert, but 65lb braid to 40lb fluoro worked well for me.

07-01-2015, 06:38 AM	#11
619-SWIM-DOG Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: San Diego Posts: 619	50lb Braid to two arms lengths of 40lb Floro.................

07-01-2015, 08:44 PM	#12
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	Murray, most guys that fish sport boats want white or yellow spectra, so they can easily see and follow their line; a few fish blue so it blends in with the water better. But pretty much everyone uses floro topshots. Most kayak guys use green, as they want it to blend into the usually shallow waters they fish (compared to the open water sport boat fisherman); again with floro topshots. Mono stretches, and back in the day, when everyone was fishing mono, or long mono topshots (100 yards or more) stiffer non-parabolic rods were all the rage, like the Calstar Grafighters. However, spectra does not stretch, and a short floro topshot really does not provide any stretch, so fisherman have turned to parbolic rods (Seeker happened to be on top of this while Calstar was still stuck on their Graphfighters, and subsequently gained in the market). So why is all this important, well you need some give when fighting a fish, for 2 reasons, one, it's just plan hard on you. 2, so you don't go pulling hooks; and to maintain tension when a fish thrashes it's head back and forth. So now, with short topshots, the rod is now doing what stretchy mono did. Don't get me wrong, you still want a rod with good back bone, but with a softer/slower action instead of a fast action as the Graphfighters are known for. Hope that helps.

07-01-2015, 10:27 PM	#13
yak-fishing-socal kayak fishing socal Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Southern California / Whittier Posts: 438	30lbs to 65lbs braid with a 6 to 10 foot topshot of mono 20lbs /30lbs. gives a little when they strike hard Attached with a double uni knot Sent from my G4 using Tapatalk

07-02-2015, 05:53 AM	#15
YakDout Brandon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,345	Number 4 or 6 (4 hook) hyabusa squid sabiki. Multiple color mini squid sabiki that works.