Children's Pool

[PB fisher]

I did not have time to make the meeting today? Anyone know how it went??

[dsafety]

I just heard the news report. It did not go our way. This is not yet a done deal but it appears that the City Council caved to the people who think cute seals are more important than our cute children.

I grew up in La Jolla and the CP was my favorite place to go as a young kid. I could swim, snorkel and climb the rocks searching for sea creatures. All within a very safe confined space under the watchful eyes of the Lifeguards. Everything that makes this place an ideal kayak launching spot makes it perfect for families with young children.

The fact that the seals and those who love them have stolen this treasure from our kids is a tragedy. Unfortunately only those of us who had the opportunity to enjoy this unique place in the past will truely understand what may be taken away from future generations.

It is highly unlikely that the CP will ever be made available as a kayak launching spot, (search some of my previous posts for details if you are interested). With that battle lost, I am hopeful that reason will prevail as the battle over the CP approaches its climax.

Bob

[Billy V]

Its not over yet. They will have to undo one of the most powerful legal documents a person could create, a Trust, and or a Last Will and Testament.

It doesn't matter what the city wants, the decree made in the Trust is clear, and the law is on the side of the Trust.

The City Council is not a Superior Court, nor are any of them Judges.
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As a side note
I would not want to go against the resources of the Scripps Family, and could only imagine how much money it will cost the City to defend against a law suit for "Breach of Trust" brought by the Scripps Family.

The CP could possibly revert back to the heirs if the Trust and its intentions were violated.

All the city did was hand off this mess to the Superior Court.

2 cents.

[dsafety]

Billy, that was worth easily 4 cents. I just hope you are right.

Bob

[PB fisher]

Good point on the trust being the last will and testament. I agree.

Does the city realize it is called the children's pool?

[prowlerdude]

Once again our elected officials refused to make any decision and dumped it on the State. Just like the booze ban (sending it to the voters). Anything remotely controversial that could cost them future votes down the road is taboo.

To vote against the seals - anti green
To vote for the seals - anti children, recreation and business (these nuts are for extending the MLPA to freaking china).

Politicians are only in it for themselves and their futures..

Sorry for the rant

[dgax65]

Originally Posted by PB fisher

Good point on the trust being the last will and testament. I agree.

Does the city realize it is called the children's pool?

During the public testimony, I noticed that the seal huggers were very careful to call it Casa Beach instead of Children's Pool. They don't even want to concede that it has been used as a swimming area for children for decades.

[FISHIONADO]

I'm a conservationist, not a preservationist, typically. However, on this particular topic I have a different point of view from most of the anti-seal people. I raised my kids in La Jolla and we never went to the children's pool even when it was open. La Jolla Shores and Scripps were always so much better. If you ask the children to vote they would choose to let the seals stay. Every day there are hundreds of people and lots of kids who enjoy watching the seals. Not many people really used the children's pool when it was open. I definitely support keeping the north kelp open for recreational fishing but I don't really care what happens to the children's pool. We have so many right-wing take all for profit types we need some left-wing save the earth types to balance things out. Without the Sierra Club Yosemite would be full of condos, Chili's, and Starbucks. Peace all.

[cioppino]

Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

I'm a conservationist, not a preservationist, typically. However, on this particular topic I have a different point of view from most of the anti-seal people. I raised my kids in La Jolla and we never went to the children's pool even when it was open. La Jolla Shores and Scripps were always so much better. If you ask the children to vote they would choose to let the seals stay. Every day there are hundreds of people and lots of kids who enjoy watching the seals. Not many people really used the children's pool when it was open. I definitely support keeping the north kelp open for recreational fishing but I don't really care what happens to the children's pool. We have so many right-wing take all for profit types we need some left-wing save the earth types to balance things out. Without the Sierra Club Yosemite would be full of condos, Chili's, and Starbucks. Peace all.

Fishanado, this isnt about being anti seal. Its about taking away our rights to a public beach that was trusted to the Children of this city. You want someone fucking with your will or trust? What good is a legal document if eight dipshits from the city can just re-write it to suit their needs.

My relatives are fortunate enough to live near the cross. I was up there visiting today and my Uncle mentioned to me how upset his neighbor was that Sherri Lightner voted to get rid of the seals. Apparently when Lightner was campaining her initial reaction was to support the seals and now that she actuals understands the issue she supports the Children. Anyhow this wacko rich ass single lady with no kids is also planning on leaving all, and all is a lot, of her money to help save stray fucking cats. How about helping out stray starving human beings. Crazy wacked out loaner and her cats. Pathetic.

Oh well I get to take out all my frustrations on the sweet little furbags in Alaska. I commercial fish there for a month each year. Any seal comes and fucks with our gear and its time to break out the SKS. Damn things are a lot harder to hit than you would think. We do get a few now and then as do the other commercial guys. Funny how the seal population up there is just fine. Only difference is they tend be a lot more boat shy.

[Tman]

Originally Posted by cioppino

Fishanado, this isnt about being anti seal. Its about taking away our rights to a public beach that was trusted to the Children of this city. You want someone fooking with your will or trust? What good is a legal document if eight dipshits from the city can just re-write it to suit their needs.

wow....very well said, even better than mine.
Trusted to the children of this city. By someone who spent alot of their MONEY and TIME to make this happen.

Look at it this way...

A great, beautiful building that holds many, many treasures, be they art or books, is not structurally sound. But the treasures inside cannot be removed.

Do you still admire the beauty of the building, knowing it will soon collapse and the treasures inside will be lost, or do you find a way to repair the building so the treasures inside could still be seen as they were meant to be?

[FISHIONADO]

Not many people used the Children's Pool when it was open. A few senior citizens in speedos was all I ever saw there. Now hundreds of people visit it every day. The children want the seals, ask them. This is just a silly issue for talk radio to rant about. Seals not native to San Diego? Planted there by Sea World? Got data to back that up?

I hope we can have these debates without people reducing it to name calling and foul language.

[cioppino]

Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

Not many people used the Children's Pool when it was open. A few senior citizens in speedos was all I ever saw there. Now hundreds of people visit it every day. The children want the seals, ask them. This is just a silly issue for talk radio to rant about. Seals not native to San Diego? Planted there by Sea World? Got data to back that up?

I hope we can have these debates without people reducing it to name calling and foul language.

I have been in San Diego my entire life and I have to totally dissagree with you about the lack of use of the Childrens pool. As kids our parents would take us there becasue the Cove was always packed on the weekend. The Childrens pool was always crowded as well. Maybe youre talking about winter or something.

When is the last time kids made any reasonable decisions? I do not like hearing people say that the children want the seals there! Thats ridiculous! If it were up to the children all us parents would have a seal at the dinner table, gimme a break!

Given the choice to use the beach and to go snorkel and look at fish I know which my two children would rather do. Watching stuff is great, but participation is much more fun.

[Billy V]

The children don't pay the taxes, and are not voters. If you were to ask a child who they wanted for president you may get Mickey Mouse as an answer.

So as a responsible parent I would take their request to "see the seals" into consideration, and shuffle them over to Sea World.

As for the Children's Pool Vs The Scripps Trust Issue, I would stand solidly on the side of the laws that allowed the creation of the Trust.

The Trust intentions were clear, and created for the benefit of the people and children of San Diego, not as a wildlife sanctuary.

Its OK to be different, but don't think your differences gives you the right to impose your ways onto others. Especially in the case of a Trust, or Will where its intentions were clear.
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The date stamp on this picture is correct.
It depicts "Actual Children" using The Children's Pool for its intended use.

[dsafety]

With due respect to Fishionado's opinion, I have to strongly say that he is dead wrong. I grew up in La Jolla. When I was a kid, the Casa was the place that all the kids went, especially those who loved snorkeling and prowling the tide pools. I was one of those kids. Human visitation only stopped when the politicians got involved.

I remember Christmas day 19 sixty-something. The only thing I asked for that year was a wet suit so I could snorkel year round. Santa delivered and Christmas day my parents took me to the Casa to try out my new gear.

The water was in the mid 50's but I didn't care. I put on my suit and jumpped in. I remember swimming along the big rock next to the seawall, (this rock is now mostly covered with sand). The first creature I saw was a seal lion pup, (not a seal, BTW). With its mom watching from a safe distance this pup and I swam together for a long time. I will never forget that day.

Seals and people can coexist. My guess is if the Casa is returned to its original condition, and people are allowed back on the beach, the seals will simply move back to Seal Rock a couple hundred yards away where they hung out when I was a kid. The will probably have to share the space with the native seal lions but since they do that in nature all the time, I cannot see that there will be a problem.

One of the problems here is that the people making the decisions on this subject do not have the wisdom that comes from many years of observing this site and the creatures that live there.

Bob

[Tman]

Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

I raised my kids in La Jolla and we never went to the children's pool even when it was open. La Jolla Shores and Scripps were always so much better. If you ask the children to vote they would choose to let the seals stay. Every day there are hundreds of people and lots of kids who enjoy watching the seals. Not many people really used the children's pool when it was open.

Good to hear something like that from a local.
Fact is, seals never used to be around there. I respect your comments, though I tend to disagree simply for the fact that, as the adage goes, give someone an inch and they'll take a mile.

When I used to frequent CP, no seals and plenty of kids. Plus the added beauty of the diversity since you had small reefs mixed with sand bottom created an opportunity to view anything from small sharks, bugs, to calicos.

I don't know how old your kids were, I used to take chicas there who never knew the beauty below them, and most of these girls were lifeguards!

Now, as a parent of a future waterman, I always hoped to be able to take him snorkeling early at a place that would allow him to view the sea with no aggression, fish that were not skittish, a place with diversity, different structure, and not a flat sandy bottom.

I guess the thing that irritates me more than anything is not only the thought that my son will never be able to see CP as I saw it before, the sea life, alive, fish everywhere, but that a single person had the vision to make it a safe haven for children, spent her money and time to create it, only to have a group come along with no regard for the beauties and bounties of our oceans, who just want to sit out of the way, with binos and cameras, and marvel at these creatures on the sand, not knowing the true destruction they've created in the water, the polluted waters, and the loss of fish and habitat, that will take years to recover.

It's funny, and very sad, that these same people, had they spent the time to enjoy the undersea life, the feeling of cold ocean water in the morning, the soothing feeling of the water on a hot day, replenishing, the euphoric feeling of swimming with the denizens of the ocean and to marvel at their beauty, again, had they spent the time to enjoy this side of nature, I don't think they would want the seals there and would realize the destruction they are causing.

To them, the beauty is standing on the ledges, the looking spots, and watching the seals on the sand, frolicking in the ocean. They aren't in the water, or on the water, to see where the real beauty lies. Nor are they able to see the destruction caused over a few years' time....