Graphite or glass?

[BrokeLoser]

Subjective I'm sure but...
I'm thinking about about scoring one more lighter setup.... 7' 15-40ish to go with my other sealine 20.
My brother says try an all graphite rod since I'm converting to braid...he says: "You'll feel everything through the line."
I'll use this setup for fishing kelp and bays....calico's and hali's

Your thoughts?

[JoeBeck]

For a Daiwa Sealine 20 I'd go with a lighter rod, something like a Teramar TMS-70MH or a seeker 196-7', or cheaper the ugly stick BCL110060 (I've caught a lot of bass and halibut on mine )

that is just me though.

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by JoeBeck

For a Daiwa Sealine 20 I'd go with a lighter rod, something like a Teramar TMS-70MH or a seeker 196-7', or cheaper the ugly stick BCL110060 (I've caught a lot of bass and halibut on mine )

that is just me though.

Funny...I'm looking at the seeker 196
But how do you feel about graphite vs. glass rods
My bro is telling me that once I fish with a graphite rod for smaller game it will become my go to setup?
I've always used Ugly Stiks and good but lower end rods..I think they have all been glass or a hybrid of glass and graphite

[tagyak]

i use kencor rods on my freshwater setup. i use light tackle, 2-4# test. i love these rods. super sensitive and strong. lets me have lots of fun when i catch small to large fish.
just sorry that kencor is no longer.....

[dorado50]

Looking for the best all-around rod action to use in all types of fishing?. Give up the search because no such beast exists! Invest in a selection of rods each tapered for peak performance in a particular situation...Gloomis and pure graphite rods are expensive for a reason.

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by dorado50

Looking for the best all-around rod action to use in all types of fishing?. Give up the search because no such beast exists! Invest in a selection of rods each tapered for peak performance in a particular situation...Gloomis and pure graphite rods are expensive for a reason.

Yeah, like I said I'm looking to use this for a niche application....kelp and bay's for calico's, spotted's, hali's...Not really trying to build an offshore rig. I'm more curious about full graphite rods vs. glass and how their functions differ I guess.

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by dorado50

Gloomis and pure graphite rods are expensive for a reason.

I think you said graphite rods are good?

[inshorefisher]

have broken a few expensive well know graphite rods, mostly lite action...6-15 pounds line. broke about 2 feet and up. haven't broken any glass rods and have put them through hell. use to fish high end rods but they required a lot of attention. cheap fiberglass rods, i fish then rinse then throw in them in the corner.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by BrokeLoser

Subjective I'm sure but...
I'm thinking about about scoring one more lighter setup.... 7' 15-40ish to go with my other sealine 20.
My brother says try an all graphite rod since I'm converting to braid...he says: "You'll feel everything through the line."
I'll use this setup for fishing kelp and bays....calico's and hali's

Your thoughts?

I'd disagree with your brother.

I'd say something has got to give.....

Carbon fast taper rods were designed for mono. They transmit every vibration, and can move fish quicker which makes up for the stretch of mono.

Spectra since it has very little stretch has no give when fish lunges or shakes it's head, so not only do you not need a graphite rod but it becomes kind of a problem..

Combine spectra with a carbon fast taper rod and you not only have a rod that has no give but a line that has no give as well and that results in more torque at the hook, which translates into lost fish. Also in my opinion it's just uncomfortable to fish with.

I've played with a lot of rods with spectra and the best ones are more parabolic traditional glass rods because they have enough give to compensate for spectras lack of stretch. I mostly fish with vintage yellow sabres, black glass Calstars and Kencors. As they work great with spectra.

If you want the best of both try a Kencor Zebra.

Magnaglass construction and a spiral of graphite. Since the graphite flexes like a spring they give you more sensitivity but they are still parabolic enough for spectra.

I collect these and they are fantastic for fishing spectra. I'd recommend a Kencor 7ft Zebra Z7X1030, or if that is too pricey a NZKAYK770C which is their cheaper series. I run Diawa 20s on both those rods.

My buddy Byron can hook you up with them. The true Zebra is about $150 the NZ sells for about $60 now that Kencor is out of business.

I think over time your going to see a resurgence back to more parabolic glass or glass graphite composite rods in response to the spectra fishing market but these things take time.

Jim

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

I'd disagree with your brother.

I'd say something has got to give.....

Carbon fast taper rods were designed for mono. They transmit every vibration, and can move fish quicker which makes up for the stretch of mono.

Spectra since it has very little stretch has no give when fish lunges or shakes it's head, so not only do you not need a graphite rod but it becomes kind of a problem..

Combine spectra with a carbon fast taper rod and you not only have a rod that has no give but a line that has no give as well and that results in more torque at the hook, which translates into lost fish. Also in my opinion it's just uncomfortable to fish with.

I've played with a lot of rods with spectra and the best ones are more parabolic traditional glass rods because they have enough give to compensate for spectras lack of stretch. I mostly fish with vintage yellow sabres, black glass Calstars and Kencors. As they work great with spectra.

If you want the best of both try a Kencor Zebra.

Magnaglass construction and a spiral of graphite. Since the graphite flexes like a spring they give you more sensitivity but they are still parabolic enough for spectra.

I collect these and they are fantastic for fishing spectra. I'd recommend a Kencor 7ft Zebra Z7X1030, or if that is too pricey a NZKAYK770C which is their cheaper series. I run Diawa 20s on both those rods.

My buddy Byron can hook you up with them. The true Zebra is about $150 the NZ sells for about $60 now that Kencor is out of business.

I think over time your going to see a resurgence back to more parabolic glass or glass graphite rods in response to the spectra fishing market but these things take time.

Jim

Man Jim, you're like a talking (typing) encyclopedia.
It totally makes sense what you're saying...I guess my bro is right in that you'll feel everything through the line but that may cause me to just rip an empty hook away from willing fish with a graphite rod.

$150 is a bit steep of a rod for me..I got diapers to buy...hence my user name...haha...What is this NZ rod you're talking about?

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by BrokeLoser

Man Jim, you're like a talking (typing) encyclopedia.
It totally makes sense what you're saying...I guess my bro is right in that you'll feel everything through the line but that may cause me to just rip an empty hook away from willing fish with a graphite rod.

$150 is a bit steep of a rod for me..I got diapers to buy...hence my user name...haha...What is this NZ rod you're talking about?

The NZ is the NZKAYK770C Kencor. You can buy these for around 60 bucks.

Here's one with a Daiwa 20 that I use for casting at paddies offshore.

[bus kid]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

It seems that Pro Angler keeps getting bigger.

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by bus kid

It seems that Pro Angler keeps getting bigger.

LOL..

That's actually a really cool small offshore skiff. Blackman diesel 20 Center Console, which actually tapes out closer to 19'6".


Thing sips fuel at troll. We were fishing Marlin that day and fished all over the east end of Cat and burned about sixty bucks in fuel. If I could find that boat in good shape with a diesel I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Jim

[RedSledTeam]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

.....I think over time your going to see a resurgence back to more parabolic glass or glass graphite composite rods in response to the spectra fishing market but these things take time.

Jim

Cool! So, I can resurrect my old 10' Sabre 540 Diamond wrapped personally by the Master "Yo" himself!

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by RedSledTeam

Cool! So, I can resurrect my old 10' Sabre 540 Diamond wrapped personally by the Master "Yo" himself!

It'll work, big for a Daiwa 20.

Nice old rod... Whats the line class rating on that 540?

Jim

[bubblehide]

@ BrokeLoser, if you do go with an all graphite rod, you may want to use a 50-100 yard topshot of mono, so you have some stretch/give.

[BrokeLoser]

Originally Posted by bubblehide

@ BrokeLoser, if you do go with an all graphite rod, you may want to use a 50-100 yard topshot of mono, so you have some stretch/give.

Good point.
But what about a kelp cutter rig with only 4ft of mono or fluoro?

[RedSledTeam]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

It'll work, big for a Daiwa 20.

Nice old rod... Whats the line class rating on that 540?

Jim

Yo rated it at 20 - 40lb at the full length of 10ft. He gave a rating of 50lb on the high side for the 540s that he trimmed 6 inches off the top. I matched it with an old Shimano Speedmaster IV (6:1) and fished 30#. Had lots of fun jigging yellows and calicos with it. Then I tried jigging for tuna ! The first tuna I hooked yanked the rod right out of my hands! That Albacore Tuna went 57lb!