Bonking, Sugar and Hoopnetting...

[Fiskadoro]

When I hoop net I run five nets and pull a net every five minutes after an original thirty minute wait. I tend to hoop a long time usually around four hours. So figuring the distance I paddle running the nets and around fifty pulls in the average evening I get a pretty good workout.

A few times including my last trip I've essentially "Bonked" where I've burned up all the sugar in my system and hit the wall, where it was pretty much everything I could do to pull my last set and paddle in.

I can take the tiredness, but what get's me is I then get so cold, as your body has trouble maintaining temp once you run out of glycogen for blood sugar.

So the question I have is first have you guys had any issues like this, and two what kind of sugar drinks do you guys drink to keep up your blood sugar up on long or strenuous trips.

I could go back to my skiff and the puller but I kind of like doing it from the yak.

Jim

[bus kid]

Jim, I have never been hooping however I'm willing to go with you and I'll bring Coffee, sugar, creamer and milk , Monster enegry drink, Red bull, 5 hour energy,Pepsi and anything else that can get you going. You pull all night we will see what works for you and can split the bugs 60 - 40.

[maui jim]

Moonshine has lots of fermented sugar in it.....
but I prefer Royal Crown Reserve.

Orange juice ...apple jucie. are good choices and a some of the gatoraids , propell

[WahooUSMA]

Originally Posted by bus kid

Jim, I have never been hooping however I'm willing to go with you and I'll bring Coffee, sugar, creamer and milk , Monster enegry drink, Red bull, 5 hour energy,Pepsi and anything else that can get you going. You pull all night we will see what works for you and can split the bugs 60 - 40.

LMFAO

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by bus kid

I have never been hooping however I'm willing to go with you and I'll bring Coffee, sugar, creamer and milk , Monster enegry drink, Red bull, 5 hour energy,Pepsi and anything else that can get you going. You pull all night we will see what works for you and can split the bugs 60 - 40.

I don't know... Ehr.... uhm..... I'm pretty hard core and the last kid I took wanted to go home too soon and started crying.


Here's what it's like though just to get the feel of it..





First time I tried video hooping. Slow night.... Lots of wind and no bugs but the floats look cool and I'm averaging 45 feet of rope in about fifteen seconds which aint half bad.

[Iceman]

I get bored pretty quickly and go home before I bonk.

never mind wrong word

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boink

[JoeBeck]

Also a lot of physical exertion is in your head, the left side of your brain tries to hold you back, worn you before you really are in trouble. Work through it, do as the United States Marine Corps does and view pain as weakness leaving the body

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by JoeBeck

Also a lot of physical exertion is in your head, the left side of your brain tries to hold you back, worn you before you really are in trouble. Work through it, do as the United States Marine Corps does and view pain as weakness leaving the body

No doubt...

I go way past the mental point , I'm used to it

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by Iceman

never mind wrong word

Get your mind out of the gutter Andy....

[bus kid]

Originally Posted by Jim Day

I don't know... Ehr.... uhm..... I'm pretty hard core and the last kid I took wanted to go home too soon and started crying.


Here's what it's like though just to get the feel of it..





First time I tried video hooping. Slow night.... Lots of wind and no bugs but the floats look cool and I'm averaging 45 feet of rope in about fifteen seconds which aint half bad.

After seeing your video, I will hold the camera, Oh yeah and I can wipe myself too...

[sasha]

Never done any hooping. But here is what i do on long hard backpacking trips. I carry some honey sticks or small jam packets. Take one once every hour or so. For drink i would use gatoraid powder but mix only 1\3 as it says. The SAR guys that i talked to said it works the best for them on long days and when they find the people dehadrated. It always worked for me on 15-20 mile days. Breakfast is always a bagel some sausage cheese and a tomato(the first and second day) Another thing to take is a bananna(you can also get the dry ones) Before you leave two or three table spoones of peanut butter goes a long way.

Sasha

[FISHIONADO]

I drink beer while hooping with 4 hoops and have never bonked. Smart carbs and sugars.

[JoeBeck]

Jim,

I have never bonked hoop-netting although I do not really hoop net very often. I do run many marathons, compete in triathlons as well as century bike rides (100 mile +) each year and have bonked during those activities. High endurance activities cause muscle fatigue and your body to use up all its energy.... hitting a wall (yes there is a much more scientific explanation I won't go into). Basically the energy to power your muscles come from ATP formed from metabolism of fats and carbohydrates. Your body prefers to use carbohydrates which are stored as glucose in your blood, muscles and liver. Unfortunately your stores of glycogen are limited. Most endurance athletes are able to store somewhere around 2000 to 2200 calories worth, good for about 20 miles if you don't restore while running you hit a wall. This is where energy drinks and eating high carbohydrates come in. Endurance athletes also have high carbohydrate diets low carb diets don't work, you will hit a wall.

It is possible that with loading your kayak, paddling and then the workout of pulling and dropping and your current physical shape (what ever it is good or bad) you are burning through your stored energy. Eating more carbs in your diet will help. Also eating while you are on the kayak as well as a sports drink.

Gatorade is high in carbs and sugar I like Gatorade but also enjoy Nuun it is conveinient because you just put a tablet in water and you are good to go. So you can drink water but if you are feeling low on energy pop one of these in
http://www.nuun.com/

Gu energy works great for endurance events but who wants to suck this crap down when fishing. Eat energy bars, I like cliff bars and luna bars. Luna bars are marketed towards women athletes but they taste much better than others. Try the Lemon Bar!

When you work out you also sweat out your salt which your body depends on, without the salts you are likely to cramp. Eat trail mix, salted peanuts, sunflower seeds, trailmix bars

Eat a good high carb meal before going out Pasta, potatoes, pancakes, breads

Recover with protein. Chocolate milk, fresh fish, fresh lobster with carbs! rice, pasta, sourdough bread

[Fiskadoro]

Originally Posted by JoeBeck

Jim,

I have never bonked hoop-netting although I do not really hoop net very often. I do run many marathons, compete in triathlons as well as century bike rides (100 mile +) each year and have bonked during those activities. High endurance activities cause muscle fatigue and your body to use up all its energy.... hitting a wall (yes there is a much more scientific explanation I won't go into). Basically the energy to power your muscles come from ATP formed from metabolism of fats and carbohydrates. Your body prefers to use carbohydrates which are stored as glucose in your blood, muscles and liver. Unfortunately your stores of glycogen are limited. Most endurance athletes are able to store somewhere around 2000 to 2200 calories worth, good for about 20 miles if you don't restore while running you hit a wall. This is where energy drinks and eating high carbohydrates come in. Endurance athletes also have high carbohydrate diets low carb diets don't work, you will hit a wall.

It is possible that with loading your kayak, paddling and then the workout of pulling and dropping and your current physical shape (what ever it is good or bad) you are burning through your stored energy. Eating more carbs in your diet will help. Also eating while you are on the kayak as well as a sports drink.

Gatorade is high in carbs and sugar I like Gatorade but also enjoy Nuun it is conveinient because you just put a tablet in water and you are good to go. So you can drink water but if you are feeling low on energy pop one of these in
http://www.nuun.com/

Gu energy works great for endurance events but who wants to suck this crap down when fishing. Eat energy bars, I like cliff bars and luna bars. Luna bars are marketed towards women athletes but they taste much better than others. Try the Lemon Bar!

When you work out you also sweat out your salt which your body depends on, without the salts you are likely to cramp. Eat trail mix, salted peanuts, sunflower seeds, trailmix bars

Eat a good high carb meal before going out Pasta, potatoes, pancakes, breads

Recover with protein. Chocolate milk, fresh fish, fresh lobster with carbs! rice, pasta, sourdough bread

Once again you and I are on the same page. I've bonked cycling as well, thus the use of the term. Hooping is pretty high stress the way I do it and it definitely works my body harder then the bike.

It's not as aerobic but more of a direct muscle load workout. I was crunching numbers earlier and I figure conservatively I'm going through at least 500 calories and hour so at four hours I'm at around the 2000 2200 burn level which is where my Glycogen would naturally run out.

I usually do pasta before hand. I'm thinking something like 10 ounces of gatoraid an hour to offset the glycogen burn.

Jim

[wiredantz]

Originally Posted by JoeBeck

Jim,

I have never bonked hoop-netting although I do not really hoop net very often. I do run many marathons, compete in triathlons as well as century bike rides (100 mile +) each year and have bonked during those activities. High endurance activities cause muscle fatigue and your body to use up all its energy.... hitting a wall (yes there is a much more scientific explanation I won't go into). Basically the energy to power your muscles come from ATP formed from metabolism of fats and carbohydrates. Your body prefers to use carbohydrates which are stored as glucose in your blood, muscles and liver. Unfortunately your stores of glycogen are limited. Most endurance athletes are able to store somewhere around 2000 to 2200 calories worth, good for about 20 miles if you don't restore while running you hit a wall. This is where energy drinks and eating high carbohydrates come in. Endurance athletes also have high carbohydrate diets low carb diets don't work, you will hit a wall.

It is possible that with loading your kayak, paddling and then the workout of pulling and dropping and your current physical shape (what ever it is good or bad) you are burning through your stored energy. Eating more carbs in your diet will help. Also eating while you are on the kayak as well as a sports drink.

Gatorade is high in carbs and sugar I like Gatorade but also enjoy Nuun it is conveinient because you just put a tablet in water and you are good to go. So you can drink water but if you are feeling low on energy pop one of these in
http://www.nuun.com/

Gu energy works great for endurance events but who wants to suck this crap down when fishing. Eat energy bars, I like cliff bars and luna bars. Luna bars are marketed towards women athletes but they taste much better than others. Try the Lemon Bar!

When you work out you also sweat out your salt which your body depends on, without the salts you are likely to cramp. Eat trail mix, salted peanuts, sunflower seeds, trailmix bars

Eat a good high carb meal before going out Pasta, potatoes, pancakes, breads

Recover with protein. Chocolate milk, fresh fish, fresh lobster with carbs! rice, pasta, sourdough bread

This would explain why i been craving carbohydrates lately. I pull an all day Saturday kayaking, and then during the week im like i need bread, cookie, CHEESECAKE.

[T Bone]

Nothing is as bad as "Bonking while Boinking" followed by a good leg cramp...

[BT]

I always drink gatorade jim while out there...and eat a carne asada burrito. but I am a fat ass! Gatorade seems to help.

[Fiskadoro]

Thanks for all the feedback. Gatoraid seems to do the trick. I usually stay away from things with sugar in them day to day since it makes me feel like shit about an hour after I eat it, but for hooping a little sugar makes perfect sense.

Thanks again, Jim

[griffsd06]

Hey guys, what's the average length of time you should leave eclipse style nets down? I go out for 3 or 4 hours and usually only run 3 nets and drop em twice. Could I be waiting too long?

[bubblehide]

Griff, IMHO yes you are waiting to long. The general premise is that if the bugs are crawling, they will come and eat for a bit and move on; you could consider bugs both competitive, and a bit of a nervous creature. Most guys running 5 nets, paddle back to the first, after dropping the last one, and start their pulling, culling, re-baiting and re-droping cycle. It may not appear, but it does take some time to complete one cycle; and it can be a real workout (the reason Jim's vid is so shaky, is because he has his cam mounted on his PFD, and he's pulling the nets with both arms; it simply demonstrates the effort and speed he puts into it). Basically, it's what you make of it; you can take it easy, or work your tookis off. But if you ever happen to hoop or fish with Jim, be warned, he's an animal, and if you try to keep up with him, he'll work both you and himself into the ground, in both the pace, and the time spent OTW.