Waders of death? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

PAL · 01-27-2011, 09:06 AM

Yeah, the thread title is click bait.

I held the camera when Jim Sammons hopped into that cold pool a few years ago. He didn't sink or take on a ton of water, but we all knew the environmental factors were set on "easy."

Ric Burnley recently did Jim one better. During field testing for a Kayak Angler Magazine story, Ric cannonballed repeatedly into 36 degree Chesapeake Bay. Videographer Kayak Kevin was there to catch Ric's polar plunges on camera.

There's snow on the shoreline, but the wind machine was turned off and the water is nice and calm. Even so, I'm convinced waders alone could have killed him in a real fishing scenario in that frigid water.

Check it out and see what you think. I know you'll make your own judgements.

http://www.kayakanglermag.com/featur...ear-test-.html

Sherm · 01-27-2011, 09:18 AM

Glad we live in so cal. That looked cold.

Waders have always concerned me for that reason but they are way more comfortable than those other options.

Iceman · 01-27-2011, 09:36 AM

In those waters I would invest in the dry suit. Here the paddle top is sufficient with waders or something like Kokatat Tempest or NRS Endurance pants. The key is to cinch up the bottom of the Dry top ........and the collar for those o' dark "black wall" launches

Jimmyz123 · 01-27-2011, 10:42 AM

I'm still not seeing death by waders here. Sure in the cold waters like he was in I would wear more than that but really here in San Diego or So. Cal do we really need waders? All I want are some drypants and jacket, which my wife just ordered for me, and I think that's all I need. I know the water can get cold here, but not in the 30s.

PAL · 01-27-2011, 11:41 AM

Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature?

When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

Jimmyz123 · 01-27-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PAL

Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature?

When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

You are correct PAL, I did not read what you were saying correctly. I was expecting to see his waders fill with water but, like with Jim's, they sucked to his legs and did not sink him. Yes, off shore in those cold temps, one could die from the cold water trying to paddle back to shore, depending how far off they are.

I love watching those videos though.

old_rookie · 01-27-2011, 01:01 PM

Near the end there was comment about the waders filling up and pulling him down. Why would that happen?? It wouldn't. There is a misconception about that. I'd you put a bucket in a pool then fill it with water it won't drop to the bottom like a rock.

MVC · 01-27-2011, 02:08 PM

I was with Ryan in Catalina when he went in the water for about 45 minutes and came out almost dry in waders and a paddle top. The conditions were about as bad as they can get. I agree with Andy.

WahooUSMA · 01-29-2011, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAL

Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature?

When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

Heat is lost more quickly in water than on land. Water temperatures that would be quite reasonable as outdoor air temperatures can lead to hypothermia. A water temperature of 10 °C (50 °F) often leads to death in one hour, and water temperatures hovering at freezing can lead to death in as little as 15 minutes. Water at a temperature of 26 °C (79 °F) will, after prolonged exposure, lead to hypothermia.

bus kid · 01-29-2011, 07:57 PM

Just fish in the summer.

MVC · 01-30-2011, 09:34 AM

I always have my radio clipped to my PFD. I have gone into the water a few times with waders but was never there long enough for them to fill with water.

old_rookie · 01-30-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bus kid

Just fish in the summer.

Just don't fall in. Shoot.... I probably jinxed myself. Watch I'll be the next one to fall in.

01-27-2011, 09:06 AM	#1
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Waders of death? Yeah, the thread title is click bait. I held the camera when Jim Sammons hopped into that cold pool a few years ago. He didn't sink or take on a ton of water, but we all knew the environmental factors were set on "easy." Ric Burnley recently did Jim one better. During field testing for a Kayak Angler Magazine story, Ric cannonballed repeatedly into 36 degree Chesapeake Bay. Videographer Kayak Kevin was there to catch Ric's polar plunges on camera. There's snow on the shoreline, but the wind machine was turned off and the water is nice and calm. Even so, I'm convinced waders alone could have killed him in a real fishing scenario in that frigid water. Check it out and see what you think. I know you'll make your own judgements. http://www.kayakanglermag.com/featur...ear-test-.html Last edited by PAL; 01-27-2011 at 02:35 PM.

01-27-2011, 09:36 AM	#3
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	In those waters I would invest in the dry suit. Here the paddle top is sufficient with waders or something like Kokatat Tempest or NRS Endurance pants. The key is to cinch up the bottom of the Dry top ........and the collar for those o' dark "black wall" launches __________________

01-29-2011, 07:57 PM	#10
bus kid Team Keine Zugehörigkeit Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Way out there Posts: 2,854	Just fish in the summer. __________________ Não alimente os trolls------------Don't feed the trolls---------------インタネット荒らしを無視しろ

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01-27-2011, 09:18 AM	#2
Sherm Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 490	Glad we live in so cal. That looked cold. Waders have always concerned me for that reason but they are way more comfortable than those other options.

01-27-2011, 10:42 AM	#4
Jimmyz123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,385	I'm still not seeing death by waders here. Sure in the cold waters like he was in I would wear more than that but really here in San Diego or So. Cal do we really need waders? All I want are some drypants and jacket, which my wife just ordered for me, and I think that's all I need. I know the water can get cold here, but not in the 30s.

01-27-2011, 11:41 AM	#5
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Where do you guys draw the line on water temperature? When I said Ric could have found himself in a deadly situation if he'd been fishing offshore, I meant in those water temps (in the 30s). That doesn't mean our milder winter water temperatures aren't a hazard. You just have more time. Maybe I'll look it up.

01-27-2011, 01:01 PM	#7
old_rookie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Santee Posts: 904	Near the end there was comment about the waders filling up and pulling him down. Why would that happen?? It wouldn't. There is a misconception about that. I'd you put a bucket in a pool then fill it with water it won't drop to the bottom like a rock.

01-27-2011, 02:08 PM	#8
MVC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 278	I was with Ryan in Catalina when he went in the water for about 45 minutes and came out almost dry in waders and a paddle top. The conditions were about as bad as they can get. I agree with Andy.

01-30-2011, 09:34 AM	#11
MVC Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 278	I always have my radio clipped to my PFD. I have gone into the water a few times with waders but was never there long enough for them to fill with water.