Leader to Swivel Knot - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

bender0240 · 08-26-2009, 12:51 PM

Can I get a suggestion on a knot to tie the fluoro leader to swivel for flyline with 65lb spectra. I first started with the Uni Knot which failed about four times when hooked up

(I've tied uni my whole life so I don't think I tied it wrong). I'm now using the Palomar which holds great but is kind of a pain to tie to a swivel that's already tied to spectra since I have to cut off the swivel to get the loop around(unless I make the loop HUGE and wrap it over the entire rod, which would be absurd) I'm guessing San Diego Jam might be best, any suggestions??

Thanks!

forefrazier · 08-26-2009, 12:55 PM

Don't use a swivel....Just use a Tony Pena knot from spectra to fluoro....Or double-uni if you are used to tying a straight uni. Advantage of the Pena knot is only one tag end so less to get caught up in the guides.

bender0240 · 08-26-2009, 01:29 PM

Thanks Forefrazier. That's a solid vote for the Tony Pena.

I've done a bunch of test's on that knot and it holds almost 100% of the time although I did have the overhand knot in the fluoro slip through the coils once so I modified it by starting the knot with the double-uni with the fluoro instead of the overhand and it held perfectly. My only problem is I'm a little gun-shy with any line to line knots until I catch something good in the kayak. After losing all those fish to the uni I'm real sketched out about anything thats not straight to hardware. Plus I just got those micro swivels that are 50lb test which go through the guides nicely. As soon as I get something good I think I'll convert over to Tony Pena to simplify.(I'm getting real close I think

)

Thanks!!!

JrBasser · 08-26-2009, 01:48 PM

I use an albright knot and have never had an isuse connecting the two.

FISHIONADO · 08-26-2009, 05:00 PM

I've never had a uni-knot fail like that. I use 65lb spectra to swivel to flouro to hook, all uni-knot, and have been successful catching larger fish. I would suggest you test some of your knots at home using a scale to see where they break. I like the uni because it is so easy to tie on the water and they don't fail for me.

Geoffkoop · 08-26-2009, 05:44 PM

How many times are you guys going through the loop on your uni knots? Are you doing it the same on the braid, leader and hook?

T-Rex · 08-26-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forefrazier

Don't use a swivel....Just use a Tony Pena knot from spectra to fluoro....Or double-uni if you are used to tying a straight uni. Advantage of the Pena knot is only one tag end so less to get caught up in the guides.

Ditto on the Tony Pena knot for a spectra/fluoro connection. I started tying Pena knots about 6 months ago and rarely tie uni to uni or albrights now.

With a swivel I go with a San Diego or Uni for the Spectra and a Trilene knot for the fluoro.

Billy V · 08-26-2009, 08:50 PM

San Diego Jam Knot on everything.
5 turns on mono, or floro of 30 lb
12-15 turns on spectra of 80 lb and 65 lb.

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/index.php?page=knots

T-Rex · 08-26-2009, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forefrazier

Don't use a swivel....Just use a Tony Pena knot from spectra to fluoro....Or double-uni if you are used to tying a straight uni. Advantage of the Pena knot is only one tag end so less to get caught up in the guides.

Ditto on the Tony Pena knot for a spectra/fluoro connection. I started tying Pena knots about 6 months ago and rarely tie uni to uni or albrights now.

With a swivel I go with a San Diego or Uni for the Spectra and a Trilene knot for the fluoro.

MarkT · 08-26-2009, 09:59 PM

I've been using the Bob Sands/Tony Pena but will be trying the modified albright next time. http://www.stripersonline.com/Pages/...tos_knot.shtml

Whizz Bang · 08-26-2009, 10:28 PM

Wed. 8/26 PM

I just lost one....from the feel, a real nice one to this exact problem. I had a Uni to the swivel on 25lb flouro....stupid. After a SCREAMING clicker, then a screaming drag, I lost it at the swivel. I had jinxed myself as I had read this thread before heading out the door. Oh yeah, guess who I bumped into right after I lost it.....Bender, the same guy who started this damn thread. We had a nice, LONG paddle back commiserating.

I really appreciate all the "old timers" sharing their thoughts on this one. Right now it is near and dear to my heart.....my little, black, hate filled heart.....stupid Uni.

FISHIONADO · 08-26-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whizz Bang

Wed. 8/26 PM

I just lost one....from the feel, a real nice one to this exact problem. I had a Uni to the swivel on 25lb flouro....stupid. After a SCREAMING clicker, then a screaming drag, I lost it at the swivel. I had jinxed myself as I had read this thread before heading out the door. Oh yeah, guess who I bumped into right after I lost it.....Bender, the same guy who started this damn thread. We had a nice, LONG paddle back commiserating.

I really appreciate all the "old timers" sharing their thoughts on this one. Right now it is near and dear to my heart.....my little, black, hate filled heart.....stupid Uni.

Ouch , sorry for that. You can hate the uni but it's hard to argue with the fish that I have caught with it, many 30+, several 40+, and one 50+. I haven't lost a single fish to a knot since I started using the uni. I have the same hatred towards the improved clinch knot. It was the only knot I knew when I started and I lost several fish to it.

08-26-2009, 12:51 PM	#1
bender0240 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118	Leader to Swivel Knot Can I get a suggestion on a knot to tie the fluoro leader to swivel for flyline with 65lb spectra. I first started with the Uni Knot which failed about four times when hooked up (I've tied uni my whole life so I don't think I tied it wrong). I'm now using the Palomar which holds great but is kind of a pain to tie to a swivel that's already tied to spectra since I have to cut off the swivel to get the loop around(unless I make the loop HUGE and wrap it over the entire rod, which would be absurd) I'm guessing San Diego Jam might be best, any suggestions?? Thanks!

08-26-2009, 01:29 PM	#3
bender0240 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118	Thanks Forefrazier. That's a solid vote for the Tony Pena. I've done a bunch of test's on that knot and it holds almost 100% of the time although I did have the overhand knot in the fluoro slip through the coils once so I modified it by starting the knot with the double-uni with the fluoro instead of the overhand and it held perfectly. My only problem is I'm a little gun-shy with any line to line knots until I catch something good in the kayak. After losing all those fish to the uni I'm real sketched out about anything thats not straight to hardware. Plus I just got those micro swivels that are 50lb test which go through the guides nicely. As soon as I get something good I think I'll convert over to Tony Pena to simplify.(I'm getting real close I think) Thanks!!!

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08-26-2009, 12:55 PM	#2
forefrazier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: OC Posts: 397	Don't use a swivel....Just use a Tony Pena knot from spectra to fluoro....Or double-uni if you are used to tying a straight uni. Advantage of the Pena knot is only one tag end so less to get caught up in the guides.

08-26-2009, 01:48 PM	#4
JrBasser Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 260	I use an albright knot and have never had an isuse connecting the two.

08-26-2009, 05:00 PM	#5
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I've never had a uni-knot fail like that. I use 65lb spectra to swivel to flouro to hook, all uni-knot, and have been successful catching larger fish. I would suggest you test some of your knots at home using a scale to see where they break. I like the uni because it is so easy to tie on the water and they don't fail for me.

08-26-2009, 05:44 PM	#6
Geoffkoop Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: So. Orange County Posts: 302	How many times are you guys going through the loop on your uni knots? Are you doing it the same on the braid, leader and hook?

08-26-2009, 08:50 PM	#8
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	San Diego Jam Knot on everything. 5 turns on mono, or floro of 30 lb 12-15 turns on spectra of 80 lb and 65 lb. http://www.bigwatersedge.com/index.php?page=knots

08-26-2009, 09:59 PM	#10
MarkT Deep Release Specialist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 94	I've been using the Bob Sands/Tony Pena but will be trying the modified albright next time. http://www.stripersonline.com/Pages/...tos_knot.shtml

08-26-2009, 10:28 PM	#11
Whizz Bang Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 396	Wed. 8/26 PM I just lost one....from the feel, a real nice one to this exact problem. I had a Uni to the swivel on 25lb flouro....stupid. After a SCREAMING clicker, then a screaming drag, I lost it at the swivel. I had jinxed myself as I had read this thread before heading out the door. Oh yeah, guess who I bumped into right after I lost it.....Bender, the same guy who started this damn thread. We had a nice, LONG paddle back commiserating. I really appreciate all the "old timers" sharing their thoughts on this one. Right now it is near and dear to my heart.....my little, black, hate filled heart.....stupid Uni.