MLPA Carlsbad Aug. 3rd meeting--A suggested speaking point - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

zenspearo · 08-02-2009, 08:20 PM

Kayakfishermen,

One of the speaking points, having multiple sub-points, is as follows. This is one suggestion. At this stage, with the RSG, we need to be specific in speaking to a specific area. We hope that with enough people speaking, most areas can be covered.

Remember: Speaking time is at 3:30PM. You need to show up at the latest by 3PM to sign in. Per new rules, no one can sign in for you. You must sign in yourself. DO NOT BE LATE.

Monday Aug. 3rd--3PM
Holiday Inn*
850 Palomar Airport Road
Carlsbad, CA 92008

Example: My name is John Doe, I want to speak about keeping area X open as shown on the External A map.

1) the specific boundary of the area you want to keep open (example: The area that is important to kayak fishermen covers the La jolla kelp bed, and more particularly the north end of La Jolla from Bird Rock north to Scripps pier (just a random example here), etc.)

2) why it is important from a recreational/socioeconomic perspective to keep this area open. (Example: Mention that it is the only spot for shore access, if you close it, kayakfishermen would lose access because there are no reasonable alternatives, etc.)

3) mention again that with 80% sand and 20% rock/kelp in CA, and with the ability to adaptively manage, it's prudent to start small and adaptively modify as time goes by. The law allows for that. Why start with closing pretty much all of the 20% rock/kelp and disproportionately target recreational fishermen/spearo

I'm recovering from a low-grade illness, but I will be there.

Kayak Rookie · 08-02-2009, 10:24 PM

I will only be able to be there for the first part of the day. I hope to be able to share my story with some one and hopefully they can place it forward in the open session.

I should be there around 930 AM.

bob
aka
kayak rookie

Holy Mackerel · 08-03-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kayak Rookie

I will only be able to be there for the first part of the day. I hope to be able to share my story with some one and hopefully they can place it forward in the open session.

I should be there around 930 AM.

bob
aka
kayak rookie

Bob, Bring a written statement, and give it to Kelly Sayce, she is the MLPA outreach coordinator.

DESTROYER · 08-03-2009, 10:43 AM

Sorry Fellas, not gonna make it today. Thanks to those who are representing the kayak and spearfish community. Represent

Matt Moyer

CurtyL · 08-03-2009, 12:57 PM

How's this? Talking about the area from Bird Rock north to Scripps

1.) Of all types of fishing in this area, Kayak fishing has a minimal adverse impact on the general ecology of the environment as we do not harvest the numbers of fish that a commercial/recreational craft can and we do not use craft that leak fuel or damage kelp when transiting around the area. There should be incentives built into the MLPA that encourage this eco-friendly type of fishing.

2.) There are limited places to launch a kayak from in this area so maintaining beach access at La Jollalace Shores and elsewhere will be important.

3.) By limiting fishing areas and/or places to launch a kayak from the MLPA is increasing the risk of potential safety issues by forcing kayakers to launch from further away, or by making kayaks travel farther out into the ocean to reach legal fishing grounds.

Kayak Rookie · 08-03-2009, 01:32 PM

I was there for the first part of the meeting until the lunch break. Paint drying is more interesting than the way these people put out their information! If you are not good at understanding double speak and can't follow all the graphs which are confusing as hell, then the paint is looking better all the time.

I don't have a clue on which plan the committee likes the best, but I think the course of action is to begin approaching the CA fish and game commission who will be making the final decision. The suits behind the microphone seem to have already made their decision they just haven't announced it yet.

Sorry I couldn't stay for the afternoon session. I looked like a couple of people were lining up to make a run at the suits!

Best of luck this afternoon to those that speak.

KR

tylerdurden · 08-03-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kayak Rookie

I was there for the first part of the meeting until the lunch break. Paint drying is more interesting than the way these people put out their information! ...
KR

That about sums it up. Listening to what is happening and trying to understand it is important.

tacmik · 08-03-2009, 02:55 PM

I to was at the meeting this am. Unfortunatly I had to leave at the lunch break. Agree with kayak rookie completely. Mike

tattuna · 08-03-2009, 08:10 PM

That place was just a drum beat away from becoming a mosh pit. What a poor choice of location. I had very little time to stick around and ceded my time. I stood by the door way trying to listen but couldn't hear anything. Anyone have a link to todays video?

Holy Mackerel · 08-03-2009, 08:18 PM

Charles good seeing you and everyone else! We had the numbers, and can't let up from here on out. Only a few months, and this is over. As we can see the anti-fishing groups have rallied, but not nearly as many as us, when we show in numbers!

08-02-2009, 08:20 PM	#1
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	MLPA Carlsbad Aug. 3rd meeting--A suggested speaking point Kayakfishermen, One of the speaking points, having multiple sub-points, is as follows. This is one suggestion. At this stage, with the RSG, we need to be specific in speaking to a specific area. We hope that with enough people speaking, most areas can be covered. Remember: Speaking time is at 3:30PM. You need to show up at the latest by 3PM to sign in. Per new rules, no one can sign in for you. You must sign in yourself. DO NOT BE LATE. Monday Aug. 3rd--3PM Holiday Inn* 850 Palomar Airport Road Carlsbad, CA 92008 Example: My name is John Doe, I want to speak about keeping area X open as shown on the External A map. 1) the specific boundary of the area you want to keep open (example: The area that is important to kayak fishermen covers the La jolla kelp bed, and more particularly the north end of La Jolla from Bird Rock north to Scripps pier (just a random example here), etc.) 2) why it is important from a recreational/socioeconomic perspective to keep this area open. (Example: Mention that it is the only spot for shore access, if you close it, kayakfishermen would lose access because there are no reasonable alternatives, etc.) 3) mention again that with 80% sand and 20% rock/kelp in CA, and with the ability to adaptively manage, it's prudent to start small and adaptively modify as time goes by. The law allows for that. Why start with closing pretty much all of the 20% rock/kelp and disproportionately target recreational fishermen/spearo I'm recovering from a low-grade illness, but I will be there. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

08-02-2009, 10:24 PM	#2
Kayak Rookie Junior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 18	only early portion of the day I will only be able to be there for the first part of the day. I hope to be able to share my story with some one and hopefully they can place it forward in the open session. I should be there around 930 AM. bob aka kayak rookie

08-03-2009, 01:32 PM	#6
Kayak Rookie Junior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 18	whoa! I was there for the first part of the meeting until the lunch break. Paint drying is more interesting than the way these people put out their information! If you are not good at understanding double speak and can't follow all the graphs which are confusing as hell, then the paint is looking better all the time. I don't have a clue on which plan the committee likes the best, but I think the course of action is to begin approaching the CA fish and game commission who will be making the final decision. The suits behind the microphone seem to have already made their decision they just haven't announced it yet. Sorry I couldn't stay for the afternoon session. I looked like a couple of people were lining up to make a run at the suits! Best of luck this afternoon to those that speak. KR

08-03-2009, 08:10 PM	#9
tattuna Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasadena Posts: 329	That place was just a drum beat away from becoming a mosh pit. What a poor choice of location. I had very little time to stick around and ceded my time. I stood by the door way trying to listen but couldn't hear anything. Anyone have a link to todays video? __________________ IG @tattuna

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08-03-2009, 10:43 AM	#4
DESTROYER Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "The Table" Posts: 976	Sorry Fellas, not gonna make it today. Thanks to those who are representing the kayak and spearfish community. Represent Matt Moyer

08-03-2009, 12:57 PM	#5
CurtyL Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: wherever the college girlz r Posts: 127	How's this? Talking about the area from Bird Rock north to Scripps 1.) Of all types of fishing in this area, Kayak fishing has a minimal adverse impact on the general ecology of the environment as we do not harvest the numbers of fish that a commercial/recreational craft can and we do not use craft that leak fuel or damage kelp when transiting around the area. There should be incentives built into the MLPA that encourage this eco-friendly type of fishing. 2.) There are limited places to launch a kayak from in this area so maintaining beach access at La Jollalace Shores and elsewhere will be important. 3.) By limiting fishing areas and/or places to launch a kayak from the MLPA is increasing the risk of potential safety issues by forcing kayakers to launch from further away, or by making kayaks travel farther out into the ocean to reach legal fishing grounds.

08-03-2009, 02:55 PM	#8
tacmik Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: East County Posts: 914	I to was at the meeting this am. Unfortunatly I had to leave at the lunch break. Agree with kayak rookie completely. Mike

08-03-2009, 08:18 PM	#10
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Charles good seeing you and everyone else! We had the numbers, and can't let up from here on out. Only a few months, and this is over. As we can see the anti-fishing groups have rallied, but not nearly as many as us, when we show in numbers!