MLPA stakeholders have been chosen. - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Dan · 09-30-2008, 06:05 PM

Just in case you're not on the mailing list....looks like a good group. WTG PAL and MJ for making the cut -- i look forward to updates as you can provide them.

California Marine Life Protection Act Initiative Announcement

Who: MLPA Blue Ribbon Task Force Chair Don Benninghoven and California Department of Fish and Game Director Donald Koch

What: Announce members of the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group (see below and attached)
When: September 30, 2008

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT:
Sept. 30, 2008 Annie Reisewitz, MLPA Initiative
858-228-0526
Jordan Traverso, DFG
916-654-9937

MLPA Initiative, California Department of Fish and Game Announce

South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group

Members chosen to represent diverse interests from Santa Barbara to San Diego

SACRAMENTO – The Marine Life Protection Act (MLPA) Initiative and California Department of Fish and Game (DFG) today announced the appointment of the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group. Under the guidance of a blue ribbon task force, this group of 30 primary members and 27 alternates (list below) is responsible for working with a science advisory team and MLPA staff to help California improve the design and management of the south coast portion of a statewide network of marine protected areas (MPAs).

“An outstanding group of individuals was nominated for the south coast study region, which underscores the public’s commitment to making this process a success,” said DFG Director Donald Koch. “Selecting the appointments from this group of highly qualified individuals was no easy task. We appreciate the willingness of each of these stakeholders to dedicate the next 14 months to working collaboratively to help protect the state’s unparalleled coastline.”

Group members bring an in-depth knowledge about local resources and uses to help complete a regional profile, including an evaluation of existing MPAs within the MLPA South Coast Study Region (from Point Conception in Santa Barbara County south to the California border with Mexico, including offshore islands). The stakeholder group will also develop recommendations for alternative MPA proposals. A team composed of DFG staff, California Department of Parks and Recreation staff, and MLPA Initiative staff and contractors will work closely with the stakeholder group throughout the process.

"The regional stakeholder group represents a broad range of interests in the area, and all members have knowledge of marine issues affecting the study region," said MLPA Blue Ribbon Task Force Chair Don Benninghoven. "This knowledge is essential to successfully guide the recommendations for implementing the Marine Life Protection Act in this part of the state."

The stakeholder group includes, among others, representatives of recreational angling, diving, commercial fishing, ports and harbors, conservation, business and government agencies with MPA-related responsibilities.

MLPA Initiative Executive Director Ken Wiseman said that a large number of talented people were nominated for the regional stakeholder group. “We selected a manageable-sized group
that represents a wide range of interests in the south coast. The members of the group are committed to taking a thoughtful look at the entire study region and have demonstrated experience in working collaboratively with multi-interest groups,” Wiseman said. “We believe these individuals have the ability to discuss and balance varied perspectives and communicate those to a broad constituency.”

The regional group’s first meeting will take place Oct. 6 and 7 in El Segundo where members will be introduced to one another and to the stakeholder process. Additional members may be named prior to the first meeting. Subsequent meetings of the group will be held every six to eight weeks, or as necessary, throughout the study region.

Discussions at group meetings will be carried out primarily by the stakeholder representatives with the assistance of professional facilitators. Meetings will be open to the public and will be videotaped for simultaneous Web casting and later viewing on the Internet. Members of the public are encouraged to participate in the meetings as observers; they also will have opportunities to provide comments on evolving MPA proposals and other elements of the process.

The California Resources Agency and DFG have partnered with the Resources Legacy Fund Foundation and others in an initiative to achieve the MLPA goals. This public-private partnership is guided by the advice of scientists, resource managers, experts, stakeholders and members of the public. The MLPA directs the state to design and manage a system of marine protected areas in order to, among other things, protect marine life and habitats, marine ecosystems, and marine natural heritage, as well as improve recreational, educational and study opportunities provided by marine ecosystems.

The MLPA requires DFG to prepare and present to the California Fish and Game Commission a master plan that will guide the adoption and implementation of a Marine Life Protection Program within the department. The commission is then required to adopt a master plan, based on the best readily available science, which includes a statewide network of MPAs. After the south coast region, the commission will be presented with recommendations for alternative network components along the two remaining study regions (north coast and San Francisco Bay) between 2009 and 2011.

For more information about the MLPA Initiative, please visit http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa.

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California Marine Life Protection Act Initiative

Members of the South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group

Revised September 29, 2008

Sarah Abramson, Coastal Resources Director, Heal the Bay
Calla Allison, Marine Protection Officer, City of Laguna Beach (alternate for Ken Kearsley)
John F. Ballotti, Senior Director, Global Procurement, Mattel, Inc.
Benjamin Beede, General Manager and Limited Partner, The Cultured Abalone
Philip Beguhl, commercial fishing representative, Santa Barbara County Fish and Game Commission
Steve Benevides, Co-founder, Kelp Forest Coalition
Bob Bertelli, President, California Sea Urchin Commission
Julie Bursek, Education Coordinator, Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary (alternate for Brent Scheiwe)
Roberta R. Cordero, Co-Founder and President, Chumash Maritime Association
Jim Dahl, Council Member, City of San Clemente (alternate for Leslie Daigle)
Leslie Daigle, Mayor Pro Tem, City of Newport Beach and Regional Council Member, Southern California Association of Governments
W. Scott Dunn, independent kayak guide and instructor
Dr. Jonna Engel, Staff Ecologist, California Coastal Commission
Dr. John M. "Jack" Engle, Associate Research Biologist, Marine Science Institute, University of California, Santa Barbara (alternate for Phyllis Grifman)
Roy "Buck" Everingham, Owner, Everingham Brothers Bait Company (alternate for Ciro Ferrigno)
Jenn Feinberg, Consultant, Natural Resources Defense Council (alternate for Greg Helms)
Ciro Ferrigno, Member of the Board, California Wetfish Producer's Association
Ray Fields, President, The Abalone Farm, Inc. (alternate for Benjamin Beede)
Robert C. Fletcher, President, Sportfishing Association of California (alternate for Mike Gauger)
Mary Jane Forster-Foley, President, MJF Consulting Inc. (alternate for David Weeshoff)
Russell E. Galipeau, Superintendent, Channel Islands National Park
Michael Gauger, Seaforth Sportfishing, Inc.
Tommy Gomes, Owner, Uni Goop Bait (alternate for Bruce Steele)
Joel Greenberg, Southern California Chapter Chairman, Recreational Fishing Alliance (alternate for John Balloti)
Phyllis Grifman, Associate Director, University of Southern California Sea Grant Program
Mervin "Louie" Guassac, Executive Director, Kumeyaay Diegueno Land Conservancy
Marcela Gutiérrez, Wildlife Conservation Program Manager, WiLDCOAST (alternate for Sarah Abramson)
Kate Hanley, Director of Operations and Marine Conservation, San Diego Coastkeeper
Greg Helms, Southern California Program Manager, The Ocean Conservancy
Ray Hiemstra, Associate Director, Orange County Coastkeeper (alternate for Kate Hanley)
Mike Huber, Regional Environmental Coordinator Program Manager, U.S. Department of Defense Region IX
Ken Kearsley, former Mayor, City of Malibu
Michael J. Kennedy, Deputy Director, Kayak Fishing Association of California (alternate for Paul Lebowitz)
Eric Kett, Owner, Sea Zen Marine Consulting (alternate for Terry Maas)
Mick Kronman, Harbor Operations Manager, City of Santa Barbara
Paul Lebowitz, Director, Kayak Fishing Association of California
Dr. Terry Maas, Director, Underwater Society of America and Founding Member, Sea Watch
Jeff Maassen, Vice President, Commercial Fishermen of Santa Barbara, Inc. (alternate for Bob Bertelli)
Jenny Marshall, Consultant, U.S. Navy (alternate for Mike Huber)
Carl Mayhugh, President, Pacific Oceanworks, Inc. (alternate for Steve Benevides)
Mike McCorkle, President, Southern California Trawlers Association (alternate for Gerry Richter)
Dr. Michael McCoy, Member, Tijuana River National Estuarine Research Reserve Management Authority (alternate for Dr. Vinod Sasidharan)
Merit McCrea, Captain, Condor Cruises and Research Technician, Marine Science Institute (alternate for Norris Tapp)
Garth Murphy, Founder, Surf Research (alternate for W. Scott Dunn)
Bob Osborn, Member, United Anglers of Southern California (alternate for Wendy Tochihara)
Jack Peveler, President, California Association of Port Captains and Harbormasters (alternate for Mick Kronman)
Dr. Benjamin Pister, Marine Ecologist, Cabrillo National Monument (alternate for Russell E. Galipeau)
Lia Protopapadakis, Marine Policy Specialist, Santa Monica Bay Restoration Foundation (alternate for Dr. Anne Spacie)
Gerry D. Richter, Vice President, Point Conception Groundfishermen’s Association
Dr. Vinod Sasidharan, Associate Professor and Program Coordinator, Recreation and Tourism Management Program, San Diego State University
Brent Scheiwe, Director, SEA Lab
Dr. Anne Spacie, Science Director and Member of the Board, Batiquitos Lagoon Foundation and Professor Emerita, Purdue University
Bruce Steele, Captain, F/V Halcyon
Norris Tapp, Captain, F/V Freelance
Cassidy Teufel, Coastal Program Analyst, California Coastal Commission (alternate for Jonna Engel)
Wendy Tochihara, National Sales Manager, Izorline International
David Weeshoff, Member of the Board, International Bird Rescue Research Center

PAL · 10-01-2008, 07:48 AM

MJ Kennedy and I will represent the kayak fishing community on the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholders Group.

The main reason we were selected among a group of government, institutional, and academic figures is the help and support of the people who paddle out to fish Southern California's rich ocean.

It was a near-run thing.

Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you for your trust and confidence. MJ and I will do our utmost to preserve kayak fishing access.

The work is only beginning. At critical times, we'll ask for more of your help.

We're here for you - never hesitate to contact us with questions and concerns.

Paul

tylerdurden · 10-01-2008, 08:35 AM

Good news. When I got the email the first thing I did was look at the names on the list and was happy to see Paul as a member.

Now what?

Holy Mackerel · 10-01-2008, 08:46 AM

Thanks for all your work Paul, it is very much appreciated!

chris

Mr Mugu · 10-01-2008, 09:17 AM

If Michael J, was really my name..believe me I'd use it. Find it a little funny when they "guess" that that's what my initials stand for.

Billy V · 10-01-2008, 09:26 AM

Thats good news Paul, and MJK.

LocoKayako · 10-01-2008, 10:45 AM

Thank you Paul and congrats. It truly is a blessing to have you on the Regional Stakeholders Group.

Thank you for your hard work and dedication

Gabe

Useful Idiot · 10-03-2008, 12:41 AM

This is a huge step. Having a seat at this table means that kayak fishermen will have a voice in the process. Thanks Paul for your dedication to the process, a huge hurdle has been cleared.

I'm happy to see some good people on the board as well. We'll need em to counteract the numerous enviros who also made the cut. I remember the channel islands process was maybe 6 or 8 people at the table (literally, folding style standard table...). I guess the G-O-V has stepped it up a notch eh?

Matt · 10-03-2008, 07:20 AM

:chee rs1:

THANKS TO BOTH PAUL AND MJK!!! YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ONE AND ALL!!!!!

Handymansd · 10-03-2008, 08:04 AM

sick 'em Paul!!

THEDanHernandez · 10-06-2008, 12:09 PM

good luck boys. glad to have you there!

SlowPoke · 10-06-2008, 02:17 PM

Where were these groups when all the houses were being built right to the waters edge? If they are going to 'protect' the water, they should also 'protect' the coastline itself.

Scrape every structure off the coast, then restore the natural habitat 2 miles inland and designate it a National Park or wilderness. That'll create some jobs!

09-30-2008, 06:05 PM	#1
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	MLPA stakeholders have been chosen. Just in case you're not on the mailing list....looks like a good group. WTG PAL and MJ for making the cut -- i look forward to updates as you can provide them. California Marine Life Protection Act Initiative Announcement Who: MLPA Blue Ribbon Task Force Chair Don Benninghoven and California Department of Fish and Game Director Donald Koch What: Announce members of the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group (see below and attached) When: September 30, 2008 - - - - - - - - - - - - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Sept. 30, 2008 Annie Reisewitz, MLPA Initiative 858-228-0526 Jordan Traverso, DFG 916-654-9937 MLPA Initiative, California Department of Fish and Game Announce South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group Members chosen to represent diverse interests from Santa Barbara to San Diego SACRAMENTO – The Marine Life Protection Act (MLPA) Initiative and California Department of Fish and Game (DFG) today announced the appointment of the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group. Under the guidance of a blue ribbon task force, this group of 30 primary members and 27 alternates (list below) is responsible for working with a science advisory team and MLPA staff to help California improve the design and management of the south coast portion of a statewide network of marine protected areas (MPAs). “An outstanding group of individuals was nominated for the south coast study region, which underscores the public’s commitment to making this process a success,” said DFG Director Donald Koch. “Selecting the appointments from this group of highly qualified individuals was no easy task. We appreciate the willingness of each of these stakeholders to dedicate the next 14 months to working collaboratively to help protect the state’s unparalleled coastline.” Group members bring an in-depth knowledge about local resources and uses to help complete a regional profile, including an evaluation of existing MPAs within the MLPA South Coast Study Region (from Point Conception in Santa Barbara County south to the California border with Mexico, including offshore islands). The stakeholder group will also develop recommendations for alternative MPA proposals. A team composed of DFG staff, California Department of Parks and Recreation staff, and MLPA Initiative staff and contractors will work closely with the stakeholder group throughout the process. "The regional stakeholder group represents a broad range of interests in the area, and all members have knowledge of marine issues affecting the study region," said MLPA Blue Ribbon Task Force Chair Don Benninghoven. "This knowledge is essential to successfully guide the recommendations for implementing the Marine Life Protection Act in this part of the state." The stakeholder group includes, among others, representatives of recreational angling, diving, commercial fishing, ports and harbors, conservation, business and government agencies with MPA-related responsibilities. MLPA Initiative Executive Director Ken Wiseman said that a large number of talented people were nominated for the regional stakeholder group. “We selected a manageable-sized group that represents a wide range of interests in the south coast. The members of the group are committed to taking a thoughtful look at the entire study region and have demonstrated experience in working collaboratively with multi-interest groups,” Wiseman said. “We believe these individuals have the ability to discuss and balance varied perspectives and communicate those to a broad constituency.” The regional group’s first meeting will take place Oct. 6 and 7 in El Segundo where members will be introduced to one another and to the stakeholder process. Additional members may be named prior to the first meeting. Subsequent meetings of the group will be held every six to eight weeks, or as necessary, throughout the study region. Discussions at group meetings will be carried out primarily by the stakeholder representatives with the assistance of professional facilitators. Meetings will be open to the public and will be videotaped for simultaneous Web casting and later viewing on the Internet. Members of the public are encouraged to participate in the meetings as observers; they also will have opportunities to provide comments on evolving MPA proposals and other elements of the process. The California Resources Agency and DFG have partnered with the Resources Legacy Fund Foundation and others in an initiative to achieve the MLPA goals. This public-private partnership is guided by the advice of scientists, resource managers, experts, stakeholders and members of the public. The MLPA directs the state to design and manage a system of marine protected areas in order to, among other things, protect marine life and habitats, marine ecosystems, and marine natural heritage, as well as improve recreational, educational and study opportunities provided by marine ecosystems. The MLPA requires DFG to prepare and present to the California Fish and Game Commission a master plan that will guide the adoption and implementation of a Marine Life Protection Program within the department. The commission is then required to adopt a master plan, based on the best readily available science, which includes a statewide network of MPAs. After the south coast region, the commission will be presented with recommendations for alternative network components along the two remaining study regions (north coast and San Francisco Bay) between 2009 and 2011. For more information about the MLPA Initiative, please visit http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa. -30- California Marine Life Protection Act Initiative Members of the South Coast Regional Stakeholder Group *Revised September 29, 2008* *Sarah* *Abramson,* Coastal Resources Director, Heal the Bay *Calla* *Allison,* Marine Protection Officer, City of Laguna Beach (alternate for Ken Kearsley) *John* *F. Ballotti,* Senior Director, Global Procurement, Mattel, Inc. *Benjamin* *Beede,* General Manager and Limited Partner, The Cultured Abalone *Philip* *Beguhl,* commercial fishing representative, Santa Barbara County Fish and Game Commission *Steve* *Benevides,* Co-founder, Kelp Forest Coalition *Bob* *Bertelli,* President, California Sea Urchin Commission *Julie* *Bursek,* Education Coordinator, Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary (alternate for Brent Scheiwe) *Roberta R.* *Cordero,* Co-Founder and President, Chumash Maritime Association *Jim* *Dahl,* Council Member, City of San Clemente (alternate for Leslie Daigle) *Leslie* *Daigle,* Mayor Pro Tem, City of Newport Beach and Regional Council Member, Southern California Association of Governments *W. Scott* *Dunn,* independent kayak guide and instructor *Dr. Jonna* *Engel,* Staff Ecologist, California Coastal Commission *Dr. John M. "Jack"* *Engle,* Associate Research Biologist, Marine Science Institute, University of California, Santa Barbara (alternate for Phyllis Grifman) *Roy "Buck"* *Everingham,* Owner, Everingham Brothers Bait Company (alternate for Ciro Ferrigno) *Jenn* *Feinberg,* Consultant, Natural Resources Defense Council (alternate for Greg Helms) *Ciro* *Ferrigno,* Member of the Board, California Wetfish Producer's Association *Ray* *Fields,* President, The Abalone Farm, Inc. (alternate for Benjamin Beede) *Robert C.* *Fletcher,* President, Sportfishing Association of California (alternate for Mike Gauger) *Mary Jane* *Forster-Foley,* President, MJF Consulting Inc. (alternate for David Weeshoff) *Russell E.* *Galipeau,* Superintendent, Channel Islands National Park *Michael* *Gauger,* Seaforth Sportfishing, Inc. *Tommy Gomes, Owner, Uni Goop Bait (alternate for Bruce Steele) Joel* *Greenberg,* Southern California Chapter Chairman, Recreational Fishing Alliance (alternate for John Balloti) *Phyllis* *Grifman,* Associate Director, University of Southern California Sea Grant Program *Mervin "Louie"* *Guassac,* Executive Director, Kumeyaay Diegueno Land Conservancy *Marcela* *Gutiérrez,* Wildlife Conservation Program Manager, WiLDCOAST (alternate for Sarah Abramson) *Kate* *Hanley,* Director of Operations and Marine Conservation, San Diego Coastkeeper *Greg* *Helms,* Southern California Program Manager, The Ocean Conservancy *Ray* *Hiemstra,* Associate Director, Orange County Coastkeeper (alternate for Kate Hanley) *Mike* *Huber,* Regional Environmental Coordinator Program Manager, U.S. Department of Defense Region IX *Ken* *Kearsley,* former Mayor, City of Malibu *Michael J.* *Kennedy,* Deputy Director, Kayak Fishing Association of California (alternate for Paul Lebowitz) *Eric* *Kett,* Owner, Sea Zen Marine Consulting (alternate for Terry Maas) *Mick* *Kronman,* Harbor Operations Manager, City of Santa Barbara *Paul* *Lebowitz,* Director, Kayak Fishing Association of California *Dr. Terry* *Maas,* Director, Underwater Society of America and Founding Member, Sea Watch *Jeff* *Maassen,* Vice President, Commercial Fishermen of Santa Barbara, Inc. (alternate for Bob Bertelli) *Jenny* *Marshall,* Consultant, U.S. Navy (alternate for Mike Huber) *Carl* *Mayhugh,* President, Pacific Oceanworks, Inc. (alternate for Steve Benevides) *Mike* *McCorkle,* President, Southern California Trawlers Association (alternate for Gerry Richter) *Dr. Michael* *McCoy,* Member, Tijuana River National Estuarine Research Reserve Management Authority (alternate for Dr. Vinod Sasidharan) *Merit* *McCrea,* Captain, Condor Cruises and Research Technician, Marine Science Institute (alternate for Norris Tapp) *Garth* *Murphy,* Founder, Surf Research (alternate for W. Scott Dunn) *Bob* *Osborn,* Member, United Anglers of Southern California (alternate for Wendy Tochihara) *Jack* *Peveler,* President, California Association of Port Captains and Harbormasters (alternate for Mick Kronman) *Dr. Benjamin* *Pister,* Marine Ecologist, Cabrillo National Monument (alternate for Russell E. Galipeau) *Lia* *Protopapadakis,* Marine Policy Specialist, Santa Monica Bay Restoration Foundation (alternate for Dr. Anne Spacie) *Gerry D.* *Richter,* Vice President, Point Conception Groundfishermen’s Association *Dr. Vinod* *Sasidharan,* Associate Professor and Program Coordinator, Recreation and Tourism Management Program, San Diego State University *Brent* *Scheiwe,* Director, SEA Lab *Dr. Anne* *Spacie,* Science Director and Member of the Board, Batiquitos Lagoon Foundation and Professor Emerita, Purdue University *Bruce* *Steele,* Captain, F/V Halcyon *Norris* *Tapp,* Captain, F/V Freelance *Cassidy* *Teufel,* Coastal Program Analyst, California Coastal Commission (alternate for Jonna Engel) *Wendy* *Tochihara,* National Sales Manager, Izorline International *David* *Weeshoff,* Member of the Board, International Bird Rescue Research Center

10-01-2008, 08:35 AM	#3
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Good news. When I got the email the first thing I did was look at the names on the list and was happy to see Paul as a member. Now what? __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

10-01-2008, 10:45 AM	#7
LocoKayako Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 91	Thank you Paul and congrats. It truly is a blessing to have you on the Regional Stakeholders Group. Thank you for your hard work and dedication Gabe __________________

10-03-2008, 12:41 AM	#8
Useful Idiot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 286	This is a huge step. Having a seat at this table means that kayak fishermen will have a voice in the process. Thanks Paul for your dedication to the process, a huge hurdle has been cleared. I'm happy to see some good people on the board as well. We'll need em to counteract the numerous enviros who also made the cut. I remember the channel islands process was maybe 6 or 8 people at the table (literally, folding style standard table...). I guess the G-O-V has stepped it up a notch eh? __________________

10-03-2008, 07:20 AM	#9
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	:chee rs1:THANKS TO BOTH PAUL AND MJK!!! YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS ARE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ONE AND ALL!!!!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

10-01-2008, 07:48 AM	#2
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	MJ Kennedy and I will represent the kayak fishing community on the MLPA South Coast Regional Stakeholders Group. The main reason we were selected among a group of government, institutional, and academic figures is the help and support of the people who paddle out to fish Southern California's rich ocean. It was a near-run thing. Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you for your trust and confidence. MJ and I will do our utmost to preserve kayak fishing access. The work is only beginning. At critical times, we'll ask for more of your help. We're here for you - never hesitate to contact us with questions and concerns. Paul

10-01-2008, 08:46 AM	#4
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Thanks for all your work Paul, it is very much appreciated! chris

10-01-2008, 09:17 AM	#5
Mr Mugu Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Malibu Posts: 48	If Michael J, was really my name..believe me I'd use it. Find it a little funny when they "guess" that that's what my initials stand for.

10-01-2008, 09:26 AM	#6
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Thats good news Paul, and MJK.

10-03-2008, 08:04 AM	#10
Handymansd Ancient Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: On The Water Posts: 935	sick 'em Paul!! __________________ All men are equal before fish. -Herbert Hoover

10-06-2008, 12:09 PM	#11
THEDanHernandez Junior Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	good luck boys. glad to have you there! __________________ I am THE Dan Hernandez candycatchers.com

10-06-2008, 02:17 PM	#12
SlowPoke Junior Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5	Where were these groups when all the houses were being built right to the waters edge? If they are going to 'protect' the water, they should also 'protect' the coastline itself. Scrape every structure off the coast, then restore the natural habitat 2 miles inland and designate it a National Park or wilderness. That'll create some jobs!

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