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I'd this fish for me

Caught it in the bay on a Zarra Spook top water lure of all things. My guess was a corbina until I saw its barracuda like fangs.

Im probably wayyyyy off but baby wsb?

If it had fangs it is an orange mouthed corvina.

Yep, just looked it up, Juvenial White Sea Bass. Dang it.... The hook got into his gill plate a bit before I released it.

I jist looked itbup as well andbthe fangs make it seem like a orange mouth corvina from whait I have read the 2 fish are very familiar looking and the orange mouth corvina get big as well.

http://www.mexfish.com/fish/omcorv/omcorv.htm

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Originally Posted by LORENZ (Post 167586)

Yep, just looked it up, Juvenial White Sea Bass. Dang it....

Nope if it had fangs it's a Corvina, and that fish definitely looks like a Corvina.

From an older thread

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Originally Posted by lowprofile (Post 130537)

CorVina.

Both wsb and corvina are in the bay. Hard to tell though.

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Originally Posted by October (Post 130544)

crap dude, I dont know, it does look like a short fin Corvina

http://www.bombolinis.com/shortfin-corvina.bmp

if it was, then ya he was all good and the DFG might have really embarrassed you. I cant really tell though, any WSB experts out there?

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Originally Posted by vincentek9 (Post 130546)

orange mouth corvina. i've caught them and i've caught shorty wsb before. juvi wsb has YELLOW tail and bars on their body. also have a bit smaller mouth. the 'vinas have some big mouths and BLACK tails. and the orange mouth with some fangs.

here is a picture comparison of corvina vs juvi wsb.

vina vina
http://www.bombolinis.com/shortfin-corvina.bmp

baby seabass
http://sandiegosportfish.com/wp-cont.../small-wsb.jpg

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Originally Posted by deepdvr (Post 130548)

Check for the zipper on the bottom of the fish. WSB will always have that raised ridge on the belly. Corvina don't. Can't tell from the photo.

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Originally Posted by kobra (Post 130556)

Another way to tell the difference is the tail. One has a convex tail and one has a concave tail. I'm old so I don't remember which one has which. Sorry. The bars on the juvie wsb are sometimes hard to see cuz they are really faint. For me, the zipper and the tail are the easiest way to tell the difference.

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Originally Posted by Divad (Post 130593)

Yep! WSB, :wsb: I caught one before in Carlsbad Lagoon, and the raised ridge on the bottom was the give away!

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Originally Posted by fishingfiend (Post 130657)

If he said it was a corvina and then mentioned it was not a WSB, he knows whats up. ie. he's not your normal pier rat who does not have a clue. That would have been reason enough for me to move along. Either way, thank you for paying attention. There are not enough DFG personnel to protect our waters.

Pulled a bunch of these last week at Dana Point in the 12"+ range for comparison.
http://fishingfiend.smugmug.com/Trip.../M/photo-M.jpg

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Originally Posted by T-Rex (Post 130925)

No visible bars, no belly ridge and no dark spot at base of pecs = corvina.

If it was caught locally it`s probably a shortfin corvina. I think orange mouth corvina are mostly caught in the sea of cortez, there use to be an epic orange mouth fishery at the salton sea years ago but i haven`t heard of any being caught in recent years.

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Originally Posted by Mainline (Post 167593)

Yes it's a shortfin.

This one is a orangemouth corvina
http://www.bombolinis.com/shortfin-corvina.bmp

These are shortfin corvina.http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/q...a/kelly135.jpg http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/v...ina20in001.jpg

This one is a seabass

http://sandiegosportfish.com/wp-cont.../small-wsb.jpg

The fact his fish has no color bars, has a convex tail, with a silver mouth and fangs all suggest it's a shortfin corvina. Not to mention Shortfin Corvina like surface lures and flies.

Seen a decent size school of those swimming around int 2 ft. Of water a few weeks ago in sd bay near humphreys

You're fish is definitely a short fin corvina. Don't worry about teeth, stripes, tail, ect. The 100% accurate way to tell between the wsb and short fin corvina is the wsb has a little ridge of skin running along the center of their bellies from the anus to between the pectoral fins. Wsb ALWAYS have this, corvina NEVER have this. Its tough to find a belly shot of wsb but you can see the belly ridge on this fish.
http://brianlongdesign.com/brianlong...teseabass1.jpg

Its clear on the third fish from the left here.
http://baja.com/wp-content/uploads/2...sea-bass-3.jpg

I couldn't find a good belly shot of a corvina. Next time some one catches a vina please take a clear shot of the belly and post it up. Mike

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Originally Posted by taggermike (Post 167609)

.....The 100% accurate way to tell between the wsb and short fin corvina is the wsb has a little ridge of skin running along the center of their bellies from the anus to between the pectoral fins. Wsb ALWAYS have this, corvina NEVER have this.....

Bingo !!! we have a winner here :)

this "zipper" along the belly, is the best way to ID WSB.

the TWO LONG fangs on the Shortfin Corvina, are also the best way to ID that species.
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i have caught many Corvina in SD bay, some up to 30", but mostly 5-10 years ago.
and i have caught 1 juvenile WSB there, around 18" long, about 5 yrs ago.
(mostly all caught on crankbaits, around Shelter Island area.)

and caught a few Croaker in SD bay, on plastics.
(ALL above from my yak.)

and a few Corbina there, MANY years ago fishing from shore, with cut squid.

here's a pic comparing these 4 somewhat similar looking fish:

In order below:

WSB, then Shortfin CorVina (side view),
Shortfin CorVina (w/ Yellow Mouth & 2 FANGS),
Yellowfin Croaker,
and lastly, CorBina....

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/...psf26802da.jpg
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