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King Saba 07-24-2016 09:37 PM

What would you do?
 
So with all this talk about tuna I've been wondering what one would do with a large tuna should the kayak gods bless one of us with a cow. My only thought is processing the fish on the spot and keeping what ever meat my cooler can hold.

Dave Legacy 07-24-2016 09:45 PM

This is probably not a popular move, but I think I'd turn most of it into jerky. As far as getting it home I might consider lining my trunk with trash bags and filling it with ice or something ghetto like that.

Zed 07-24-2016 10:22 PM

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My only thought is processing the fish on the spot and keeping what ever meat my cooler can hold.
If it comes to that cut it loose. I don't intend to waste what "won't fit in the cooler" on my yak.

Whatever you do, don't forget the anal vent in your cooler.

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taggermike 07-25-2016 07:43 AM

That's a dilemma most of us would like to have. Unless your a fish cutting ninja filleting a 100 lb tuna while it's in your lap would be about impossible as well as dangerous.

As for stuffing meat into your fish bag until it's full and throwing the rest away; please dont do that. The waste is wrong and if you are checked by a warden and have1/2 a tuna you're gonna get a ticket for wastage. And you'd still have to fillet the fish across your lap.

The best solution I can come up with is to lighten the fish as much as possible while remaining legal. Removing the head, guts, and fins would really reduce the length and weight of the fish. There would still be some knife work but most of these cuts can be done away from you.

Basically do the first 3 steps this fish ninja does

https://youtu.be/aeiI1T7uu0o. Mike

maquinapescado 07-25-2016 08:08 AM

Before all the high tech fish holds, they used to just keep them on water. I have had tuna kept wet and out of the sun that was fine by my standards for sashimi and everything else.

With the high hopes of being a lucky one, I carry a large white towel with me, even when I am just fishing YT and WSB. I throw this towel over my fish wet. The white helps keep them cool and being a beach towel, it also retains lots of water to keep the temp down and fish moist.

For the tuna, I took 60lbs of ice the other day with the intent of stuffing a fish with the ice. To replace this method, I am freezing 32 water bottles (they will stay frosen longer than the ice) in which I plan to make an incision in the belly just big enough to pull the guts out and stuff with frozen bottles.

I will say, having 60lbs of ice on the bow of my PA made the surf launch extra wet and the wind chop going out just kept going over the bow. I moved it to the back and called it my poor man's trim tabs. I am going to look into a bag with a good ergonomic fit for the stern of my PA, square/rectangular which is easier and cheaper to come by. I'm over the bow/kayak cut kill bags.......don't want that much ice and fish weight on my bow.

Sorry for the novel folks.

maquinapescado 07-25-2016 08:12 AM

Mike,

I swear I am bookmarking that video and studying it everyday lol

skrilla 07-25-2016 12:14 PM

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tacmik 07-25-2016 02:12 PM

oooh! I like the whip.

jorluivil 07-25-2016 02:59 PM

Find someone that lives near that has a quality sealer/chamber, ask them to allow you to use the sealer/chamber and split the fillets with them. Seal it right and it will last months

Iceman 07-25-2016 03:31 PM

wet towel is great. Frozen water bottles in a small cooler to throw in the towel even better!:paddleersmilie:http://baytubers.com/images/smilies/bluefintuna.gif:paddleersmilie:

katchfish 07-25-2016 04:59 PM

Man, some guys just have one thing on their mind..............





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And there is only one cure!:D

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GregAndrew 07-25-2016 07:12 PM

I took a large drybag rolled up and six or 8 frozen water bottles in a small soft sided cooler last year. Bled the fish, stuffed it into the dry bag and positioned the water bottles all around it. The bottles still had about 20% ice in them when I got back to the beach (10+ hours later) and the fish stayed cool. Of course I had a paddle yak with a big hatch that I was able to keep the fish inside and out of the sun. The drybag I took would probably have maxed out at under 40#s, luckily my fish was only 33. Seems to me, that unless you have some kind of insulation around the fish, that you are better off keeping the outside cool. It is more susceptible to heat gain than the inside. I have to agree with the other guys though, if I were not prepared to keep the fish fresh, I would have to release it. Wasting a fish for bragging rights is poor sportsmanship at best.

King Saba 07-26-2016 12:03 AM

I definitely agree with the notion of releasing a fish that is too large to harvest. To be honest, I wouldn't know what to do with a large tuna anyways. When I'm offered yellows a 15lb fish is already a lot of meat for me.

Thanks for entertaining my curiosity everyone.

maquinapescado 07-26-2016 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jorluivil (Post 266124)
Find someone that lives near that has a quality sealer/chamber, ask them to allow you to use the sealer/chamber and split the fillets with them. Seal it right and it will last months

That is for sure. I really want a Vacmaster. I think I kill enough shit to justify it. And if I don't kill enough shit now, I'll definitely have to start hunting again to make sure I don't unjustifiably buy something.

taggermike 07-26-2016 07:46 AM

Maquinapescado; that's the best tuna filleting video I've ever seen. I learned to cut tuna in a much different way, removing 4 loins off the fish and I always thought it was a PITA.
The techniqu in the vid is easy. I practiced on a few bonito then cut a dozen tuna and it worked great from the first fish. I showed 2 buddies that style. 1 has little experience cutting fish and he picked it right up. The other worked on and ran local sports boats for 10 years and has cut 1000s of tuna. He tried it found it superior. I like that many of the cuts are away from me. This is safer, especially on a moving boat. Mike

FullFlavorPike 07-26-2016 01:31 PM

If I didn't think I could handle the fish, I don't think I'd try to catch it in the first place.

chris138 07-26-2016 02:09 PM

Never mind how you will store the fish... You will never get the thing in your yak without a kage. How many people here have gaffed an 80#+ tuna? 30# nearly capsized me. These fish don't come up to the surface exhausted like yt. They EXPLODE when stuck with the gaff. And they always have another big run in them the first, and sometimes the second, time you get them to gaff.

A 100#+ BF cant be landed with a single gaff, especially not a kayak sized gaff. It usually takes two gaffs and 2 full grown men to keep the fish under control when gaffed. And the first gaff shot typically happens about 2-3' below the surface. Either a flying gaff, or a well placed shot with the kage is the only chance at landing that kayak cow. I also thought a slip tip pole spear could work. Never mind that the pole spear and kage are illegal when angling in socal waters if I'm not mistaken. So before you decide how to fillet your giant bluefin OTW and how many pounds of ice you're bringing... I'd just focus on getting a bite first and go from there haha.

If you get one of these badboys to color... I'd be radioing for help asap

Mr_Fixit 07-26-2016 02:25 PM

Ice Solution
 
If you guys want a good solution to ice, this one works extremely well. These things stay very cold all day long, especially if they are in a cooler. I throw three in my kill bag and they do the trick.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Orca Winfrey 07-26-2016 03:25 PM

Just take a sushi chef along with you. Your lunch will be fresher than if you got it from the Tsukiji fish market.

BigAppa 07-26-2016 04:47 PM

This is pretty out there, but how about taking along something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Solstice-2935.../dp/B004PPTC9G

Stows easily, comes with a pump that will inflate it quickly, has a 500 lb carrying capacity. The biggest issue will be that it punctures easily, so you'll have to throw a puncture resistant tarp over it. Then, if you can manage to get the fish in there, throw some bags of ice on top of it and then tow it in.

maquinapescado 07-26-2016 05:40 PM

All good points Chris and true. I am bringing my ice anyway and the optimism in me will rock on. I think I will bring my ice ax and put that between the eyes. Good luck finding something in the DFG book about using that.

YakDout 07-26-2016 05:44 PM

I think I would try to tail rope, make a cut and drag backwards for a while.


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Zed 07-26-2016 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by maquinapescado (Post 266202)
I think I will bring my ice ax and put that between the eyes. Good luck finding something in the DFG book about using that.

Ha. I like it. 10yd of paracord and you have a flyer. Realistically I dont think any cleat fastened on a plastic yak will withstand the force...for long.

My personal fantasy ethical size limit of an offshore fish is up to but not including my biggest thresher. That was a PITA.

Dingokevin 07-26-2016 06:25 PM

Kage is illegal in socal?

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YakDout 07-26-2016 06:29 PM

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Kage is illegal in socal?

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radastaff 07-26-2016 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Fixit (Post 266194)
If you guys want a good solution to ice, this one works extremely well. These things stay very cold all day long, especially if they are in a cooler. I throw three in my kill bag and they do the trick.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm liking this

beats draggin a beast 5 mi back in the water

not sure my yak could handle the xtra weight though

thinking much over 75# and I might just have to release

hrmmm

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Dingokevin 07-26-2016 06:57 PM

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Yes


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jorluivil 07-26-2016 07:01 PM

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Yes


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that's not true

We asked the DFG about this at the FHS, half of them didn't know what a Kage was and the other half couldn't even spell it.

Zed 07-26-2016 07:04 PM

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Question: ...Is a kage legal to use as a gaff on a kayak?

Answer: The kage would not be considered a gaff and thus not be legal to use as a gaff from a kayak. A gaff is defined as “… any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing fish or to take fish in such a manner that the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth” (California Code of Regulations Title 14, section 28.65(d)).

A kage would be considered spearfishing gear and subject to the diving and spearfishing regulations (CCR Title 14, section 28.90). Under these regulations, you would be required to be floating or swimming in the water to use this device to take fin fish, other than those listed in this section.

It can also be considered a spear or harpoon, in which case (under CCR Title 14, section 28.95) if you were not in the water but on a kayak, boat or on the shoreline, it can only be used to take skates, rays and sharks (except white sharks). And the device can’t even be possessed on a boat when swordfish or marlin have been taken.

Carrie Wilson is a marine environmental scientist with the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. While she cannot personally answer everyone’s questions, she will select a few to answer each week in this column. Please contact her at CalOutdoors@wildlife.ca.gov.
So, if I want to use a kage, I'll need to hop in the water real quick to stick the fish, then climb back aboard.

jorluivil 07-26-2016 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Zed (Post 266214)

Question: ...Is a kage legal to use as a gaff on a kayak?

Answer: The kage would not be considered a gaff and thus not be legal to use as a gaff from a kayak. A gaff is defined as “… any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing fish or to take fish in such a manner that the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth” (California Code of Regulations Title 14, section 28.65(d)).

A kage would be considered spearfishing gear and subject to the diving and spearfishing regulations (CCR Title 14, section 28.90). Under these regulations, you would be required to be floating or swimming in the water to use this device to take fin fish, other than those listed in this section.

It can also be considered a spear or harpoon, in which case (under CCR Title 14, section 28.95) if you were not in the water but on a kayak, boat or on the shoreline, it can only be used to take skates, rays and sharks (except white sharks). And the device can’t even be possessed on a boat when swordfish or marlin have been taken.

Carrie Wilson is a marine environmental scientist with the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. While she cannot personally answer everyone’s questions, she will select a few to answer each week in this column. Please contact her at CalOutdoors@wildlife.ca.gov.


So, if I want to use a kage, I'll need to hop in the water real quick to stick the fish, then climb back aboard.



Yes, jump in the water, spike, or Kage the fish, climb back into kayak.

Pretty simple if you ask me

Dingokevin 07-26-2016 08:13 PM

i have had DFW stop me on the water for a license check and gear. With my kage sticking out of my crate and they did not say anything about it.

King Saba 07-26-2016 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAppa (Post 266199)
This is pretty out there, but how about taking along something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Solstice-2935.../dp/B004PPTC9G

Stows easily, comes with a pump that will inflate it quickly, has a 500 lb carrying capacity. The biggest issue will be that it punctures easily, so you'll have to throw a puncture resistant tarp over it. Then, if you can manage to get the fish in there, throw some bags of ice on top of it and then tow it in.

This probably won't work as well as you think if you own a Hobie unless it's a PA. The reason for this is the line would get caught in the rudder if you stop for a rest and if you decide to tie up to your side handles the craft then doesn't tow in a manner where resistance is minimal. I dragged two float tubes yesterday with two 150lb guys sitting in them with little to no equipment. In 8kts of wind it took us 40min to cover 1/2 a mile even with them assisting by kicking and me pedaling at near max effort.

east county dirtbag 07-26-2016 08:44 PM

Pardon me but what is a kage? I've googled it with mixed and indefinite results

chris138 07-26-2016 09:07 PM

Wasn't there a guy who was selling hand made kage on here?

Watching the rob yuen videos it looks like he destroys those things and they come back all bent up on big fish. Maybe a disposable model would be ideal

chris138 07-26-2016 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by east county dirtbag (Post 266223)
Pardon me but what is a kage? I've googled it with mixed and indefinite results

It's a spear gaff you use to try to stone the fish before you gaff it

YakDout 07-27-2016 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zed (Post 266214)
So, if I want to use a kage, I'll need to hop in the water real quick to stick the fish, then climb back aboard.



Sounds easy enough

jorluivil 07-27-2016 05:38 AM

I would compare a Kage to a car that has dark tinted windows. When/if you're pulled over by a police officer for a moving violation chances are your attitude will determine whether or not you'll be cited for the window tint, the same goes for the Kage when the DFG pulls up and ask you for your fishing license.

YakDout 07-27-2016 06:29 AM

Maybe he will give you a fix it ticket...

jorluivil 07-27-2016 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by YakDout (Post 266235)
Maybe he will give you a fix it ticket...


Fix it ticket or not, everyone knows that when you deal with law enforcement your attitude will determine whether you'll walk away with a warning or with a citation.

wiredantz 07-27-2016 08:05 AM

not only your attitude, but the DFG attitude. The officer could just be in a pissed off mood for whatever reason


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