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Wader Poll
Hey guys,
I'm in the market for a new pair of waders. I have always bought hodgeman, but my last pair sucked pretty bad (pipestones). I know they should only last a season if you fish frequently, and they've got some good use. But now it seems that water just seeps through them like they've lost their waterproof-ness. And not just the booties. In my eyes it seems that the shell material wasn't actually waterproof intrensically, but just treated with some hydrophobic agent. So... I would love to get some recommendations on a different set, and why. My price range is up to about $250 or so. I'm looking at frogg toggs but I can't find any good reviews. Right now I'm leaning toward pilot II's. Winter is coming! CB |
My waders had that exact problem and I bought some spray for them, completely waterproof again! I just spray it on every couple months. Forget what it was called but I'm sure someone could chime in
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Waders only last one season? I guess I don't fish enough. :(
For waterproofing, I spray 3M Scotchguard on everything. Liquids just bead up, run off, and never soak in: WadersBasically anything that will contact water. |
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3M has different versions of their scotchguard, fabric, carpet etc Do you remeber which one you've been using? |
My waders have lasted well over three years...
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I've had a few pairs of Redington Waders. The current pair I have is about 4 years old. They are touch too, most of the time The sonic pros are great, but pricey. There are a few review from flyfishing outfits online, where they field and office test about ten of the top models, and rate each one based on different parameters,(moisture level, sweat, cut, flex, layers of fabric, etc. Don't get DWR product, (Durable water resistant) as most of them do not breath, and are not waterproof and break down fairly quickly. The above study also takes into account, the water permeability of the material. Most likely you will spend a few bills to get a quality product.
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I've seen the treatments and ill admit i never used it. But new waders are a must. Its not just the waterproofing issue. These things are destroyed. The seam tape is all peeling off the inside seals, the straps are ripping out of the fabric, the booties are destroyed, the strench is horrific, soaked in blood and beer, sibiki holes, burn marks etc...
What your guys' waders arent like that??;) Don't think 3M is gonna take care of these babys. So back to the point of the post... What waders are the best? |
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I've been looking at the "pant" waders as well, just a bit less to stow when out on the water. Below are a few sites that I've been looking at lately for waders.
http://lovigkayakfishing.com/gear/drypants http://www.twsport.cl/indumentaria-d...st-waders.html http://www.hatchmag.com/articles/rev...-pants/7711572 And here is the 2013 Yellowstone shootout for wader of the year: http://www.yellowstoneangler.com/gea...elas-bootfoots There is a lot of data in the above study. |
I use the Carpet Protector version that is at Home Depot.
It works well enough for all my applications, so I haven't even tried the other kinds. Maybe I'll try out the other flavors if I need it and can't find the Carpet Protector at Home Depot. To answer the original question - any waders with a zipper! My waders don't have a zipper and I look like I'm stripping naked when I need to pee. I have to take my PFD off before I can get at the wader straps/buckles. On colder days, I might be wearing sweat pants or something underneath the waders. Every time that happens, I wish my waders had a zipper. Quote:
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I have a pair of White River Fly Shop (Bass Pro brand) stocking foot waders that have lasted me going on four years now. It should be noted though a previous pair before these leaked after a few months. My guess is most of these are made in the same few factories. I think it's luck of the draw sometimes.
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With the exception of the orvis silver sonics those seem well regarded. |
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I've ditched the waders and gone to dry pants from Kokatat. Don't think I'll go back to waders after using the pants.
Here is the model I have. Got 'em from Andy at OEX. http://kokatat.com/products/bibs-and...socks-men.html Pro's - Lighter than waders - No neoprere seams (where my waders would always end up leaking) - Easy to take a leak - More comfortable than waders - No suspenders Con's - They don't go up as high as waders. Without a dry top, your shirt will likely get wet even on a small surf launch. With my waders I could cheat on the small surf days and not wear a dry top. These, the waistband sits about where your belly button is. - Feet won't be as durable as waders. I wear a pair of dive booties with them. If you are stuck on waders, I don't have any real complaints about my old pair of zippered hodgemans. Looks like they are on sale too http://www.hodgman.com/Hodgman-Hicko...d.html#start=4 Steve |
If I had the coin I'd get the Patagonia Rio Gallegos. Sounds like they are ultra durable... like climbing over barbedwire and thorn bushes ain't no thang. Plus it would be super pimp to be rocking Patagonia right?
Orvis silver sonic convertibles (bsides the long name) seem pretty legit. And they eliminate the urination issue without a zipper. They compare it to a $500 level wader for under 3... http://www.orvis.com/p/silver-sonic-...op-waders/5h5e |
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The kotatat pants are rad though. Just not sure about winter overnighters in them... Assuming the squid ever come back (wink wink) |
I've had good luck with my Frogg Toggs.
They are getting old and smell like a homeless person's underwear but they have served me well. |
I'm gonna chime in here, and offer my 2 cents. I'm a surf fisherman, and probably put in around 200 miles of walking the beach every year. I'm on my 6th set of waders now, after trying the hodgemans, BPS, etc one's, I wish I'd just bought a pair of Simms, and cut to the chase. They are expensive, however, they have a clause where if they EVER leak, for any reason, send them in, and they repair, or replace no ? asked. That is one very good reason to purchase their product.
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Are you guys pulling any WSB out of the surf lately? |
Ya im thinking of just ponying up and getting the simms G3s. Apperently they just dominate all other waders in every way.
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First off I think the waterproofing spray you're referring too, is called 'ReviveX' recommended for Gore-tex materials.
You can find it at R.E.I., Adventure 16, Sport Chalet should carry it for about $10 for 4 oz., I'm not sure about Dick's. Online; Campmor carries it and at one time both Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops had carried it. There is another spray-on water repellant 'Nikwax' best known for waterproofing shoes and boots. I've been Fly Fishing since '68 and try to stay up to date on waders as I spend lots of time "in the water" (trout, salmon, steelhead, shad and stripers). The innovation of Gore-tex is possibly the most important fabric ever converted for Fly Fishermen (now other activities)! This is a lighter version of what NASA space suits are made of! I have an original Simm's Gore-tex rain jacket that after almost 20 years still repels water (with proper care) and is still waterproof! The only reason I'm thinking of retiring it, is because the newer Gore-tex (5th generation I think) is much lighter/thinner and more "breathable" than any of the previous versions. Perform a Google search into the properties of this material or check-out the Gore-tex website to see the difference between this and most other "Waterproof materials" out there. Also check out blogs on Rainwear made of different materials. I've owned Simms "Gore-tex" waders since the 3rd year they were available. I still own that pair (bought around '96). Being a very new material to Fly Fishing, I wanted to wait a few years to make sure any/all the kinks are worked out (just like "Waterproof" zippers!) My Fly fishing partner had bought a Patagonia "H2No" waterproof rain jacket and he had to replace it after 3 years then bought a Simms Rain jacket (which he still wears) then a pair of Gore-tex waders. I ran into a friend (distributor) a few years ago that got me a great deal on overstocks of original G3's (5 layer up to the waist and seat {now G4's}) because they were changing the G3's, so I bought 2. A year after that Patagonia discontinued their "Watermaster Light" H2No waders and I bought 2 of those for summer and Kayak use (they're warm enough underneath with light pants for Kayaking without layers unless cold/windy/raining, then I'm in my Simms). Yes, you'll definately dish out some serious coin for a pair but if you ever have a problem with them Simms warrantee and customer service are worth the price of the waders (I had a leak in one of my new G3's at the sock/pant leg seam and they e-mailed me a shipping label, repaired the leak and tested them then shipped them back @ no charge!). :D If taken care of properly (frequently rinsed or washed), you shouldn't have to replace them every few years. If you're looking for a quality wader @ a more inexpensive price point check out: https://shop.dan-bailey.com/Via/index.jsp (their Guide Wader $249). Dan Bailey's is one of the oldest and best known Fly shops "in the world" (Grandson John Bailey coached and/or performed some of the casting scenes in the movie "A River Runs Through It" for Brad Pitt) and have a very good reputation (their own Guides mostly wear their waders over the Simms). If your weight varies or can't justify the price, then as posted previously, stick with paddling pants and splash jacket (I have a set of those too, the pants are more easily removed than waders if the weather warms too much). Let me finish by noting that Simms started making performance garments for B.A.S.S. Pros a year or two ago and you now see many pros out there now wearing them. You'll notice that the Saltwater Calico Bass guys are now wearing them too (Yes, they are rated saltwater safe). Also if you ever run into anyone wearing Simms rainwear, ask them what they think about them. This is just my experience and observations of their use and I'm sure as noted by previous posts, there are other opinions. FFY :sifone: |
Thanks for the info... Hopefully I can find a bro deal on some g3s! Sounds like you have a plethora of high-end gear haha. I guess you have to wait for a new model to come out then scoop up the overstock.
I ended up getting pilot II frogg toggs. They are the nicest ones FT makes and they are $200 less than Simms but as with all fishing gear you get what you pay for... |
So glad I did a search for waders...thanks for all the information
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