What an enlightening experience - to hear about our coastal coral reefs AND to find out where my tax dollars for education are going...!

I cant even focus on work today... I really wish i could of made it. It was my day off normaly, but Its the biggest work load of the year for me, I had to show up. Imagine the timing...:rolleyes:

I seen some pictures on BD of all the shcool children bussed in to the meetings. Thats unreal... I know we have seen it before, but its infuriating.

One of the kids even got up there and said that we fish using bombs... :biggrinjester: imagine that.

That stuff really throws me over the edge...

wada circus. Yeah, kids and their "save our coral reefs" cry in these final hours were really the best reflection how distorted and manipulated this whole process is. Mr. Richards asking pretty basic question, to be reminded on % of deep rock reefs addressed, and no one really knowing the answer was pretty funny too! It shows you how much they're really into it. It's one thing that good number of ordinary folks can't put their mind around this whole MLPA process and where it is right now - these folks have been hired to administer the process. They ought to be familiar with key points, despite how complicated and diluted at the same they made it.

It sux when you are fighting a war and you know you are bound to loose, you're just trying to contain your loses and keep chugging on. That's what we seem to be doing. :( We're still biting, great show, despite the bussed in kids I think we were there in greater numbers.

Lot's of DFG there. It's cool when you pick up the vibe from the wardens they are on our team. Hear that Wade? :D

A student from Hi-Tech High sat next to me. I asked him why he was there. He tells me it is for his government class - so that he can observe the debate. CoastKeepers made a presentation to his class. He was undecided as to which side to take and wanted to hear the other side. After the Hi-Tech High senior spoke, he left. He didn't stay to hear the other side, well... maybe he moved to the back to hear??? I doubt it.

Coral reefs in CA
 

That was hilarious. Clay and his buddy Julian were cracking up...pretty pathetic that a teacher is teaching her students that, having them spend all that time on their diaramas, extra work for an extra grade, just to be humiliated. I agree, that teacher should be admonished.
Pretty sad, even the boys were commenting on where coral reefs were, naming the places. Guess they are getting a better education...

Mr. Richards was classic...:cheers1:

(Not verbatim)

"So, there are 7 areas that are not sandy bottoms? And are there reserves put in place for each of those 7 areas?"

I agree again Adi, hilarious that these people who have (supposedly) been working so hard kept stumbling with their words trying to answer his simple question, and the final comment from the gal was even more pathetic when she complained that she wasn't aware that he was going to ask such a difficult question...maybe because you people have been used to rehearsing the question and answer period!

Just shows the bs we are up against.

Great seeing familiar faces, Waterman's Alliance, thanks for the grub...



To all of the Kids that spoke...:you_rock: :luxhello::luxhello::luxhello: :you_rock:


Each and every one of you showed more knowledge, more courage, and spoke better than any of the misinformed children that spoke, you should be very proud for standing up for your rights, we are very proud of you.

Thank you...:notworthy:

I was talking with a lady from Bloody Decks who talked with the High Tech High students at the back of the room and videoed their response, she asked them if they were forced to come, answer was yes. Look for the video to be posted on Bloody Decks soon. I wounder how many parents actually new what their children were going on there field trip today for?

the kids are just missed informed, there are soft corals off the coast so they are not totally wrong.
http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=1242

there seems to be a lot of adults that are missed informed also. :confused:


but i will say the kids being bussed in and given an agenda in is just wrong.:mad:

i agree GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:luxhello::luxhello::luxhello::lu xhello::luxhello::you_rock:

(Santa Barbara, Calif.) – A new species of black coral has been discovered off southern California, including around the Channel Islands, by Milton Love, University of California, Santa Barbara marine researcher, and Mary Yoklavich of NOAA Fisheries. The discovery came during dives by the researchers in "Delta," the submersible.

The new species, found at depths of approximately 300 to 725 feet, is reported this week in the online scientific journal Zootaxa (http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/content.html) by taxonomist Dennis Opresko of Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
Love named the new species "Christmas Tree Coral" (dendochristos in Greek) since it grows to a height greater than two meters and resembles pink, white and red flocked Christmas trees.
The complete scientific Greek name for the new coral is Antipathes dendrochristos. The word for black coral is "Anti" for against, and "pathos," for disease, a reference to the fact that black coral amulets were once thought to provide protection against disease and evil spirits. The Christmas tree coral was first noticed by the researchers during dives for surveys of rockfishes on deep rocky banks about 40 miles off the coast, west of Los Angeles.

Comment made was they grow best in shallow tropical waters. Implementing an MPA to save these (MPA = 3 miles from shore) kinda loses me there.

300-725 feet of water 40 miles W of LA?

I don't think any MPA will help them, esp. not in LJ, Laguna, or Malibu.

I will admit that I am one of the misinformed.

it was "dynamite" to see all my LJ friends again :D:D

what a shameless and disgusting display. what amazed me was this great disconnect about what the mpa's are about, and what those morons thought they would do. like the laguna tuna who want the highest level of protection, but how is that going to do anything about their tidepools or shore? or the high tech girl in tears about the LJ tidepool. again, there is nothing in the mpa's that protect anything...

ah, but, now maybe you're starting to "get it". folks, we ain't the target, hard as it is to believe. they don't like us, don't ever think they do, but what they're after is much bigger. see, what they know, and maybe escaped us (because, we are not an evil lot like them. we don't see freedom as something to be destroyed, as standing in the way of "progress") but the mpa's are really an end run, a back door to a great many things they couldn't ever achieve any other way.

the reserves give them pretty much carte blanche to do everything to protect them: extreme pollution controls, development restraints, restrictions of access, and on and on. in many ways the whole "no take" was a ruse, a gimmick to get in. look, did you hear any of those blue shirt morons even discuss fish or fish populations or whatever? one, they couldn't give two shits about the fish. two, they would lose big time that argument, because our stocks are healthy and it isn't like they are in this to help fishing.

so, notice how they turned the arguments completely away from mpa reality and towards mpa fantasy. and they know to get what they really want, they have to pull out all the stops, do anything necessary to get from point a to point b. which is why they will shamelessly exploit kids. and why they are evil in every sense of the word. 'bout the only difference between them and stalin's twenty-five thousanders is, is, is, is, (stuttering, looking for answer...)

good to see such a great turnout
:you_rock::you_rock::you_rock::cheers1::cheers1::c heers1:

i dont blame the kids, i believe they are doing what they think is right. it's the teacher that fills them with this BS and they KNOW better.

Thank you all that showed up and participated in today's event, protest, and meeting! You are awesome! I posted a thread with pics and a video in the Bloodydecks site:

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/fi...ml#post2025292

Thanks again,

Maggie

They were also outraged to learn from their teachers that we are using bombs to fish so they came to lecture us on that policy. Oh and the pizza, candy and games were cool too.

http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/t...ssedinkids.jpg

Those who came out - :notworthy:

Thank you for sacrificing a day for our way of life.

It was fantastic to see our hardcore, familiar faces who've endured meeting after droning meeting. And just as valued, the new blood. We are grateful for your help.

Great turnout, great comments, but I'd expect nothing less because kayak anglers (and our close friends the free divers), are freedom loving, independent minded, strong of will and spirt, and the best people I know.

It may not seem like we accomplished much - the commission didn't do much more than sit through the legally required public comment. Don't believe it. If we hadn't have showed, we would have certainly lost ground.

We have to do it one more time, Dec 15 or 16 in Santa Barbara of all places. That's MLPA HQ, for us the heart of darkness. Please join me there for the finale.

Huge thanks from the WA and from the spearos for the joint effort we all put in.

You guys are awesome.

Heads up


Anyone who did not have an opportunity to speak on Item 3 today because
they missed their call, had to leave early, couldn't be there at all or
choose not to--for example because they ceded time to someone who did
not get credit for enough cards--may address Item 3 tomorrow during
general public commentary. And, time will be much cheaper--three minutes
to start and perhaps only a couple of cards to get as much as 5 minutes.

Of course if you spoke today, you can't speak again tomorrow.

This was relayed to me by someone familiar with the process.

So to those who didn't speak today--go sign up and speak tomorrow.

i use dynamite when i fish our local coral reefs:biggrinjester:
teachers these days i am so glad i was a rebel when i was in school:the_finger:

Can we use M-80's or Seal Bombs with a couple of 1/2" nuts taped on to make bait ?

It would be much easier than those sabiki rigs with all those sharp hooks. :p

Joe, thanks for posting over here. I just saw your Spearboard update. I was about to cross post, and you beat me to it.

If you didn't get a chance today, please give it a shot Thurs morning.

Commissioner Richards in his typical sly way brought up a point that I had not considered before. He mentioned that of the seven significant areas in southern California that contain a lot of structure, all seven are to be closed or partially closed. Proponents are constantly saying that the MLPA leaves open for fishing, nearly 90% of California's coastline. That may be true but most of the unprotected areas that they generously leave to us do not harbor many fish.

Someone should come up with a new analysis that shows the percentage of high quality fishing grounds that the MLPA wants to take. I bet the number rises significantly from the 14% of so that the currently claim. I suspect that the true number ends up to be more like 60%, maybe more.

Was anyone else a little confused by the graphic that one of the Commissioners put up on the screen with a bunch of black dots showing, "every place in California where fish have been reported to have been caught" ? It seemed interesting to me that there were no reported catches in La Jolla, or any of the other areas targeted for closure. I guess Josh has not reported in.

How dumb to they think the public is?

Bob

That was a fishing effort map, not a catch map. Also, it didn't show effort density, so it is misleading. It's typical create evidence to support your foregone conclusion tactics.

I completely agree and had a word with a teacher right in front of his students after hearing him say to them "So kids the fishermen are making fun of you and calling you names for being here" "they are calling you uneducated little ankle biters" I was floored I turned and said to them "so this is how you get kids to not like fishing and support the maps of your choice by generalizing fishermen, I myself am happy the kids are here to learn about the government process and witness both sides?" I did not want to say he did not hear someone say that, maybe he did. He did not say a word back and the kids looked a bit shocked.

Unfortunately I did see from a distance a fishermen flip the bird at some young individuals wearing MLPA Support shirts. Not a good way to represent.

All those bused in kids had no reason to be there. And even more so they had no right to speak at all.
Most of those kids care more about Glee, Pop Tarts, Spoungebob, Vampire books, and thats after you have pryed there fingers off there Xbox controller...

There is nothing those kids said that either:
A. made sense
B. someone already didnt know
C. was anything but complete bullshit

It was a complete waste of our time. The MLPA comissions time, and complete waste of tax dollars on many levels

No matter what you say or how you act, the Kids will be returning back to there Teachers classrooms today, and tomorrow and they are going to be told that fisherman are mean.

Maybe the teachers will hit them with a little Joy Bayhard "The fisherman are against children"

Fisherman use bombs...

Maybe they watch some Whale Wars episodes in class... Or even have a PETA guest speaker visit the class.

You folks got to really go after the schools. The Teachers, and even the School District who was making gross acusations.
(Your not going to get Teachers Fired, trust me the Union wont allow any of that...)

But if you put the pressure up on the school principles, your going to put a stop to these field trips. You have to call screaming, yelling, and waving your hands. anything else will be ignored.

I disagree; did you see how many kids were there holding up Prop 19 signs? They had a legitimate reason to take the day off school, to wear blue shirts, to get free pizza and to show their support for prop 19. Wait, was there something about the environment being discussed? They must have missed that, they were too busy texting.

I hope you can read the sarcasm that is oozing from my pores. As a teacher, I was yet again appalled by the sheer number of bored and uninterested kids who were forced to sit through another MLPA meeting. What happened to teaching the facts? If we can't teach religion in schools, why is it acceptable to push political agendas on young malleable minds?

Let's be clear. Every kid there had every right to be there and to speak their piece, misinformed or not, just like seal lady. The teachers and administrators who permitted and organized it are another matter though. They should be under some serious scrutiny.

1st amendment, establishment clause.

But I agree that these kids are too young for politics. I think at least some of them were from private schools so the only remedy may be to try and inform their parents of what they are being taught. Some of the parents probably fish. If they were from public schools then there are always school board elections.

I did see at least 1 kid with a prop 19 sign which was hilarious. Shows you what their attention span is for the political process.

1st amendment and the establishment clause are rather irrelevant.

Those kids in every other theater of life have no individual rights. If that was the case the kids could take there parents to court for punishing them for saying a bad word. Claiming first amendment. Doesnt make sense...where do you draw the line? the law has made it clear.

Now I think its rather silly that folks here have the idea that school kids have a right to participate in the public process when they arent the ones paying for it. Doesnt sound right does it.

Now if a kid shows up with his parent. Like some of the young men did for our side. Hes representing himself by admission of the parent, who is the rightfull owner of the child (as law puts it) So to me, thats cool.

The public comment meeting intented to get imput about the MLPA process and how the mapping conflicts with those using the resources. Its used to express public opinion. And its intention was to help guide the DFG commission / BRTF into making the right map decisions. Well yeah we didnt have that. and alot of it was ignored and just for show... But thats another issue.

Someone with some acual usefull information could have had time to speak... But no it was taken up by some kids spouting crap from there mouth.
Thats exactly why the kids were bused into the meeting. To balance out support for something that doesnt really have it (outside of funding). It was political Thuggery and nothing more.

I'm glad those kids were able to talk about bombing the coral reefs. It showed that they (and by extension) their classmates weren't well informed. Anyone with brainwaves could see these kids weren't really interested or vested in the process. Whereas the children who were fisherman showed knowledge and a personal interest in the process.

As for the teacher who is teaching them drivel... shame on them.

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Jim Day Wrote:
<table style="width: 100%; margin-left: 15pt;" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 0.75pt inset; padding: 4.5pt;"> Originally Posted by Grego [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Owner/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
I like being blamed for things... reinforces my character of being an asshole, I enjoy that Don can vouch for that.
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> I bet he can... let's just say we all have our fields of expertise [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Owner/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image002.gif[/IMG]
Quote:
<table style="width: 100%; margin-left: 15pt;" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 0.75pt inset; padding: 4.5pt;"> Originally Posted by Grego [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Owner/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]
you hurt my feelings....and I thought the BT did a pretty good job the last couple of years
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Funny I thought he was talking about guys that fish Malibu not Baytubers, and actually just echoing something one of your guys recently posted on another board:
Bubblehide writes (that’s me): Actually Jim, your right on the money. I don’t consider the Baytubers guys to be the Malibu guys; after all, isn’t Baytubers and Orange County thing?

Jim Day Wrote:
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<table style="width: 100%; margin-left: 15pt;" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 0.75pt inset; padding: 4.5pt;"> Originally Posted by Someone you know from Baytubers
For the record I put as much passion into saving Malibu as I did RP, LJ, etc etc But lets be honest there just was not the show of force from the Malibu area at the meetings Too few were fighting the closures at Malibu and the results are in part do to that fact.
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The following is from me, Bubblehide:
Bellcon/Don didn’t you post the above?
I know you like drama, but this a little ridiculous. If I wanted to talk about bay tubers I would have simply named it. But to extrapolate Bay Tubers from what I wrote is obviously attempting to incite others against me. I could not have come up with a better example of the divide and conquer technique used by you; but I honestly would have thought it would have come from the enviro-terrorist side; not from the side I support. I would honestly prefer that we all stick together here and be respectful of differing opinions, instead of creating an environment of exclusion and attempts at ostracizing individuals that don’t happen to say something you approve of (despite it being ok for some people to state, i.e., Don)

Jim Day Wrote:
I think many of the guys that fish Malibu think of Baytubers as kind of an Orange county, San Pedro, harbor fishing crowd, and they think of Malibu fisherman as the LA surf launching crowd. There is some basis for that: I mean Baytubers with all their tournaments never had one in Malibu as far as I know, and they certainly did not have one at the bigger well known breaks like County Line where Bubblehide likes to fish..

I mean you can pretend Bubblehide was attacking Baytubers if you want to, and take offense at his comments for whatever reason you want, but it's not how it reads, and it doesn't make much sense.

I like Baytubers, think they helped in the MLPA and appreciate that. I have recommended countless people to Kiyos site, and his tournaments but I will say that from time to time it seems like some of your guys want to pretend that people who are not in with you, or part of your group are somehow bad people, or out to hurt your organization.

Maybe your just trying to rally your troops, or get your guys fired up but I'd say that just pushes others away when it comes to issues like the MLPA.

At any rate I'd say it's pretty obvious Bubblehide was not attacking Baytubers or their track record when it comes to the MLPA and perhaps as Paul said: you guys might be better off saving that ire for the other side.

Just my take though.

Bubblehide writes (that’s me)::
Yeah Jim, you read me correctly, I just wish everyone had your level of comprehension.

Grego Stated:
I like being blamed for things...builds and reinforces my character of being an asshole, I enjoy that[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Owner/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image003.gif[/IMG] Don can vouch for that.

bubble you hurt my feelings....and I thought the BT did a pretty good job the last couple of years, hmmmmmmmfffff...fine then. As Cabojohn would say "I'm taking my ball and going home then...." and and and...we not going to buy pizza for the meetings no mo either! well..maybe for the spearos since they buying AGAIN!! wooo hoo!

Bubblehide writes (that’s me):
Well Grego, either you have a wicked sense of humor, which I can appreciate. But just in case your serious and I did hurt your feelings: One of the reasons I took my screen name “Bubblehide” is because of the typical internet attacks, put downs, insults…and me taking it all in stride, not being overly sensitive, not being sucked into false attacks by others; and lastly, being able to take something like this and letting it by the next day, just as I will do with this little tat. Actually Baytubers and it’s members have done an outstanding job; I’m sure they will continue to do so, with or without you and your ball. But hopefully you (as I think you do), have the fortitude to go to the meeting despite your hurt feelings. Baytubers is a pretty good group of some pretty tough guys, that I doubt will back down from oversensitive feelings being hurt. After all, the enviro-terrorist have done far worse than tickle your sensitive feelings like I have (with Don’s misguided help); and I seriously doubt they (the enviro-terrorist) will ever get enough from this MLPA process to ever stop. The fact is that this will be a continuing battle that will drag on for years to come. And as such, we as a fishing community need to create an environment of inclusion, rather than exclusion. But if you and others wish to continue to bash me, attempt to make be back away from the MLPA fight, so be it; but good luck with that. But while your continuing to bash me (if you chose to do so), I’ll be out hunting the Sierras for the next couple of weeks.

To everyone else: I felt a need to respond to this veiled attack, I hope it was constructive and brings to light some behaviors that are simply not conducive to our part of the MLPA battle. Unfortunately I will not be able to make this upcoming meeting, as we fishermen would benefit from an exceptionally good turnout. So go to the meeting if possible, if not try and get a family member/friend to show up and cede time on our behalf, and give um hell!




Well, the above is what I had written in response, and would have posted in a timely manner if that site had not had problems, along with me being out of town. Anyway, here it is.