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If you have any doubt that the bullseye is on La Jolla, here it is.
SD Coastkeeper is working overtime to expand the closure in La Jolla even further beyond the already expansive IPA. So the BRTF grabbed nearly all of Laguna coast in the IPA, and a huge chunk already South La Jolla. The reason offered was they already made "concession":rolleyes: in SD and PV. Now the pro-closure side is going back to capture more of La Jolla. So much for "compromise" and "concession." :rolleyes::( And guess what? They are emboldened with the 11th hour substitution of Bayliss (of Heal the Bay) for the more neutral Sutsos among the Fish and Game Commissioners. If we don't show up, we likely will lose even more of La Jolla, even more than what the BRFT's IPA already took out. http://www.sdcoastkeeper.org/quick-l...s/view/29.html Our oceans are in trouble. On October 20, the California Fish and Game Commission will meet in San Diego to discuss a plan for a new system of marine protected areas (MPAs) along the Southern California coast. MPAs can help replenish depleted fish populations, restore ocean habitats and have proven an effective tool for restoring ocean health around the world. San Diego Coastkeeper will be at the hearing in person supporting the expansion of a proposed marine reserve in south La Jolla, along with supporting many other MPAs in the south coast. This is the last discussion meeting of the Commission before the marine protected areas are adopted into law. We need passionate people like you to join us at this meeting to help ensure the Commission chooses a plan strong enough to work. If you’re interested in attending and demonstrating your support in person (yep, just being a “body in the room” counts – public comment is optional), please rsvp here so we can keep you updated. Can’t make the meeting (it’s a work day, we understand)? Consider taking just 23 seconds to send in this support letter instead. Thank you so much for your support! Here's the text of the petition they want people to sign. http://www.sdcoastkeeper.org/act/spe...ted-areas.html Fish and Game Commissioners c/o California Fish and Game Commission 1416 Ninth Street P.O. Box 944209 Sacramento, CA 94244-2090 Re: South La Jolla Marine Protected Areas California Fish and Game Commissioners, I’m writing to ask you to support the conservation plan, known as Proposal 3, for the Southern California Study Region of the Marine Life Protection Act, which will provide critical protection for south La Jolla. Over two million visitors are drawn to La Jolla each year, making its health and vitality of top-most concern to local residents and businesses. The health of our ocean and the health of our economy cannot be separated. In order to maximize the bang for our conservation buck, we should follow the science and create a nine-square-mile reserve at south La Jolla.(Edit::mad:) Please help keep this global attraction healthy and its tourism-based economy strong. (Edit: note the sly causation linkage--close the ocean and tourism will prosper. :rolleyes:) As California’s fish populations have declined over the past several decades, tourism and recreation have become increasingly important for coastal communities. Since 1990, revenues from commercial fishing have declined by more than half and the number of fishing boats calling at California ports has declined by nearly three quarters. By protecting special places like south La Jolla, we can turn around this downward trend while keeping our tourism industry strong. The Marine Life Protection Act is California’s chance to be a leader in ocean stewardship and science-based management. I urge you to seize that opportunity and adopt Proposal 3, and create a nine square-mile reserve at south La Jolla.(Edit: :mad:) Sincerely, [Your name] [Your email address] [Your mailing address] |
You don't hear the hardcore asking for help often, we are asking for help now. Please commit to showing up. This is too critical to ignore. Please stand up and pull your weight.
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October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton 8110 Aero Drive San Diego, CA ROLL CALL!!!! 1. Chris 2. dmrides 3. deepdvr 4. dsafety 5. AQUATICHUNTER 6. SteveOOO 7. Dgax65 8. cowboybill 9. Fishionado 10. Old Rookie 11. PAL 12. Joe Beck 13. Kurt 14.Cabojohn 15. The Kid 16. CurtyL 17. Bluesquids 18. jbm 19. Matt 20. Tman 21. Clay 22. newguy01 23. WahooUSMA 24. Corey 25. Ohana 26. zinkysd 27. roadx 28. Tyler 29. Dan 30. C. Cary 31. dfroggy54 32. ??????? <!-- / message --><!-- sig --> |
C'mon fellas let's smash theese fools in pure numbers!!!!!!
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Unfortunately I will be out of town. But give them hell!
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I only wish we could settle this the old fashion way....
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October 20-21, 2010
Four Points by Sheraton 8110 Aero Drive San Diego, CA ROLL CALL!!!! 1. Chris 2. dmrides 3. deepdvr 4. dsafety 5. AQUATICHUNTER 6. SteveOOO 7. Dgax65 8. cowboybill 9. Fishionado 10. Old Rookie 11. PAL 12. Joe Beck 13. Kurt 14.Cabojohn 15. The Kid 16. CurtyL 17. Bluesquids 18. jbm 19. Matt 20. Tman 21. Clay 22. newguy01 23. WahooUSMA 24. Corey 25. Ohana 26. zinkysd 27. roadx 28. Tyler 29. Dan 30. C. Cary 31. dfroggy54 32. bubblehide 33. BillyV 34. ??????? |
If it's in the a.m. I will be there the 21st
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Thanks to everyone that will be there. I already had an East Cape trip planned or I would be there too. Kick some Ass for us
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We have a meeting time. The MLPA is agenda item #3 on Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am.
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Warning - this will piss you off.
I don't mix work and play, but I love fishing, and this kills me. I have my own feelings about the MLPA, but this effort by the Coastkeeper is just plain dirty. Just to give you an idea of the effort by Coastkeeper - they are going all in, and are intentionally recruiting uninformed people to sabotage the meeting. Here is a message that I recently recieved in my email. I've taken the liberty of omitting any identity information, so please don't ask me any questions about that. Dear Teachers, For those of you that do not know me, my name is *****. I am a senior This year I am **** Club Co-President along with ******. As some of you may know, if you were approached by members of the *** Club, we were asked, by California Coast Keeper, to participate in a hearing about increasing the amount of marine reserves in the San Diego area. We are currently working on a short documentary, in support of developing these reserves, to present at the hearing. Additionally, *** Club was asked to spread the word about attending the hearing to the **** community. The hearing will be on October 20th at the Sheritan Hotel on Arrow Rd. just off the 8. Coast Keeper has graciously offered to provide transportation, lunch and t-shirts for students and teachers who attend. Pick up would be around 9AM and hearing goes until 12PM. This is a great way to help protect our oceans from over fishing through showing our support for the new reserves. **** Club, along with ***** will be attending the hearing and the more people who attend, the better. We are trying to get an accurate count of who will be attending this hearing by Thursday October 7th. If you would like to have your whole class attend the hearing that would be wonderful and the extra chaperons would be appreciated. Additionally, if you would like, students from **** Club can present to your class on the issue, allowing students to decide for themselves if they would like to attend, sending only a small percentage of your class. If you would not like your students to attend, it is understandable. If you have students that are planning to attend please have them find me or ***** for permission slips. Thank you for your time! If you have any questions, feel free to email me at *** or find me in school. This drives me nuts. Trying to manipulate and use uninformed students for someone else's personal agenda is just plain wrong. I have a unique opportunity to address this issue head on, and any information that you can give, such as REAL evidence or reasons why not to support the MLPA, that I can present to my students would be a great help for our interests. Hell, I'm thinking about starting the KEEP SD FISHING club. Also, now that you know this is coming, it will be our fault for not being prepared. We should expect this at the meeting and prepare for it. Dirty, dirty bastards. |
Wow...thanks for posting that. This is the little games the enviros are playing, please print that and bring it to the meeting.
At one of the meetings, kids were bused in, spent their whole time texting, chatting, but when someone (and we all know who he is), offered those same kids FREE 1/2 DAY FISHING TRIPS, the hands shot up in the air. These people are going to pull out all the stops. They have done it before and they will do it again. When we wore black shirts so they knew who we were and what we stood for, we were accused of intimidation. When they handed out blue shirts, with sayings like, 'MLPA's work', it was okay, even though there were no MLPA's in place. They will do whatever they can. If they try that at my sons' school, they would be up for a major battle... |
Thanks Fryguy, we need all the folks we can get to attend early to get the chairs up front. I attended one of the BTRF meetings in Long Beach (or Anaheim?) and during my public comments I called it disingenuous that the pro-closure groups had recruited all the high school students clogging the room and hallways. Looks like it will happen again.
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oh yeah, can you guys add me to the list.
I'll be there, and I'll have some words for any of my former students that I see there, too. |
Chris, add the following to your list. Looks like most of the LA guys are sitting on the fence this time, maybe with the confirmed time a few more will commit.
Tattuna Paintnfish Kelpangler Aquatic Hunter TheLuckyPig Grego |
BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc..
Four Points by Sheraton 8110 Aero Drive San Diego, CA ROLL CALL!!!! 1. Chris 2. dmrides 3. deepdvr 4. dsafety 5. AQUATICHUNTER 6. SteveOOO 7. Dgax65 8. cowboybill 9. Fishionado 10. Old Rookie 11. PAL 12. Joe Beck 13. Kurt 14.Cabojohn 15. The Kid 16. CurtyL 17. Bluesquids 18. jbm 19. Matt 20. Tman 21. Clay 22. newguy01 23. WahooUSMA 24. Corey 25. Ohana 26. zinkysd 27. roadx 28. Tyler 29. Dan 30. C. Cary 31. dfroggy54 32. bubblehide 33. BillyV 34. Mikecollins86 35. fryguy 36. Tattuna 37. Paintnfish 38. kelpangler 39. Aquatic Hunter 40. TheLuckyPig 41. Grego 42. ??????? |
I posted this to www.scsurffishing.com. The shore fisherman will be equally affected.
http://www.scsurffishing.com/forums/...c.php?p=623690 |
I was waiting to see what day the public comment was going to be on. I will be there.
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Thanks Jbm, anyone committing to attend?
We need many more anglers, surprising to see the BWE regulars here not signup... hmmm :( BREAKING NEWS!!! The MLPA is agenda item #3 for Weds Oct 20. The meeting starts at 10 am. Get there before 10AM, so we can coordinate and cede time... etc.. Four Points by Sheraton 8110 Aero Drive San Diego, CA ROLL CALL!!!! 1. Chris 2. dmrides 3. deepdvr 4. dsafety 5. AQUATICHUNTER 6. SteveOOO 7. Dgax65 8. cowboybill 9. Fishionado 10. Old Rookie 11. PAL 12. Joe Beck 13. Kurt 14.Cabojohn 15. The Kid 16. CurtyL 17. Bluesquids 18. jbm 19. Matt 20. Tman 21. Clay 22. newguy01 23. WahooUSMA 24. Corey 25. Ohana 26. zinkysd 27. roadx 28. Tyler 29. Dan 30. C. Cary 31. dfroggy54 32. bubblehide 33. BillyV 34. Mikecollins86 35. fryguy 36. Tattuna 37. Paintnfish 38. kelpangler 39. Aquatic Hunter 40. TheLuckyPig 41. Grego 42. MVC 43. ??????? |
come on people this is no where near enough all you guys who care about fishing need to be there at least show your support you being there says a lot. LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
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The LA group simply isn't organized, it's pretty much a non topic on the LA board. Only a mention with a link to this site. During the last meeting go-round I took a bunch of flak for continuing to ask the same question on the different MLPA posts: "Where and what time is the meeting". Despite them supposedly wanting everyone to show up to the meetings, they somehow didn't think letting people know where and when was necessary; go figure. I wish I could make this one, but I'll be out of town. Give um hell! |
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Just got the day off confirmed today, I'll be there!
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I went the easy route this time and simply posted up the link where you saw it... (I think you are one of only a few who responded...) The rest of your post? ? I guess that would be Greggos fault... (although I do remember a helluva a lot of LA Boyz representing at many a meeting) |
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I don't blame anyone in particular; just pointing out what appears to be a fairly endemic characteristic of the majority of the Malibu crowd. Personally I think it's a bit self defeating, to say the least. |
Let's make nice and save our ire for the other side please.
This isn't the place to criticize people who didn't show up or have given up - they aren't likely to read it! (That takes more of a personal touch) Man for man, the Baytubers came stronger than any, even taking a serious hit for the larger team. I have only praise for them. And while they may have been few in number, there were some Malibu hardcore. They don't need to take friendly fire - they're set to take the biggest hit of all, the loss of their La Jolla. |
I like being blamed for things...builds and reinforces my character of being an asshole, I enjoy that:sifone: Don can vouch for that.
bubble you hurt my feelings....and I thought the BT did a pretty good job the last couple of years, hmmmmmmmfffff...fine then. As Cabojohn would say "I'm taking my ball and going home then...." and and and...we not going to buy pizza for the meetings no mo either! well..maybe for the spearos since they buying AGAIN!! wooo hoo! |
I'll be there, not sure about Joy....Eric
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Add me to the list. be there for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
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ok - so we'll have a small army there. I have not been to one of these meetings before, so I can only guess what happens.
I suspect there will be reps for the DFG/MLPA speaking and describing what they plan to do/close. Then at some point they will open the mic to those who want to speak ( and not fear public speaking....). We are all there for the same reason - do not close areas to stop us from fishing. Right???!! We can't simply stand up and say "No...don't do that!" without any decent amo. I can only speak from what I know or at least think I know. Obviously they (DFG/MLPA) think and have 'data' that shows certain areas are being depleted of fish. For one, I don't see a lot of kayakers pulling in large quantities of fish. Of all the (very few) times that I have launched and landed, I have not seen anyone with any fish (other than the SMMT). I have seen plenty of surf fishing pulling in lots of perch, but I don't have any numbers to know if it is impacting the perch or other species. Can only guess from my own observations and experience. So, what amo are we going in with? If I have good info on something, I'll speak, but right now I don't. Only a "nooo... don't take away the time I have away from stress, and the thrill of catching fish to feed the family"... well, I could still kayak out without fishing - but you didn't read that. |
For those who are just joining this effort, I appreciate that you're taking much of this on faith. Thank-you. Rest assured, there will be plenty of help once you get to the meeting. Just look for the Waterman's Alliance.
Also, if you haven't committed to showing, don't think you're not needed because "we have a small army." The other side has been known to import people by the busload. When you arrive, and it shouldn't be any later than about 9 am, you need to find the info table and grab a speaker card. Next, decide whether you want to speak or cede your speaking time. What is ceded time? Every person who fills out a speaker card will get somewhere between one and three minutes. Some people with important messages to send will need more. You can give them your time, but not on a 1:1 trade. It might take 10 cards for one more minute, but that's ok. For example, during previous meetings Tyler hammered home of the importance of pier bait and other La Jolla issues. He came with slides that back up his points. We always pooled our time to give Tyler room to operate. If you want to tell the Commission a thing or two, here are a few starting places taken from the other thread: 1. The recent court ruling is clear. The Blue Ribbon Task Force and Science Advisory Team are state agencies. They didn't follow state open meeting rules. The record appears to show decisions were reached behind closed doors. The were other irregularities. South Coast MLPA work must be suspended until these serious issues are resolved. 2. We support RSG Proposal 2, the true cross-interest plan created by anglers, harbor communities. Proposal two strikes a fair balance in Malibu, it preserves public access and safety. The IPA's La Jolla plan will concentrate fishing activity in a small area, again causing safety issues. It preserves the existing reserve boundaries, which are well known to the public and designated via shore-side signs and buoys on the water. Etc. 3. You could also limit your comments to the IPA (Integrated Preferred Alternative), which the Commission is considering. There are significant issues in play, including whether to expand the proposed South La Jolla reserve and reconfigure the second one that would cap us off at Scripps Pier. We have to watch these closely. This is as much detail as I'm going into on a public message board. The other side reads our mail. See you in a week. |
Old Rookie, just a general bit of info, the DFG knows of no (0) species on our coast that are in decline. There are a few species that are not at their optimal numbers, but all are stable or on the increase since the banning of long lining, gill nets and the current batch of fishing regulations. This is the irony of this entire process.
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"The Blue Ribbon Task Force and Science Advisory Team are state agencies"
Are these Science state agencies real scientist? Are they familar with California Current ecosystem? The data about California fisheries disclosed in the Science magazine article made it clear that the Marine Life Protection Act process must be suspended, since the "science" behind the process needs to be completely re-examined. Are we being sandbag just based on Pseudo science? I hope the The California Fish and Game Commission Has not been bought out and served already. |
Just confirmed that I will be able to get the day off.
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Hey PAL and other organizers...
Just a suggestion, last couple of meetings I went to the lobby area during check in was total chaos. It was easy to find where to get card for speaking time, but it's REALLY HARD TO FIND PAUL, JOE and the others to whom the time was to be ceded and the other kaykers. When we did the matching black shirts thing, at least it was easy to find the like minded folks. My suggestion is to create some sort of recognizable uniform, shirt, hat big sign or something so the people who don't recognize faces from this board or from on the water at a distance know who to sit with, talk to, and cede time to. Wife's having surgery and I can't make it. Willy |
Now that I can be there to at least increase our numbers I have to agree with willy, I would like to fill out the card to speak and then cede time to those who know the right words to get the best bang for the time. Knowing who where and how to do this would help make it a bit easier and smoother.
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I mean you can pretend Bubblehide was attacking Baytubers if you want to, and take offense at his comments for whatever reason you want, but it's not how it reads, and it doesn't make much sense. I like Baytubers, think they helped in the MLPA and appreciate that. I have recommended countless people to Kiyos site, and his tournaments but I will say that from time to time it seems like some of your guys want to pretend that people who are not in with you, or part of your group are somehow bad people, or out to hurt your organization. Maybe your just trying to rally your troops, or get your guys fired up but I'd say that just pushes others away when it comes to issues like the MLPA. At any rate I'd say it's pretty obvious Bubblehide was not attacking Baytubers or their track record when it comes to the MLPA and perhaps as Paul said: you guys might be better off saving that ire for the other side. Just my take though. Jim |
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