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Look at it this way. If you spend more of your time online complaining than actually fishing, chances are you are going to catch fewer fish. No need to be bitter about it.

The simple fact that there are more and more big fish being caught and sometimes released should be evidence of a thriving fishery. One that has come way back with commercial fishing restrictions, restocking efforts, size restrictions, and take limits. If people never posted images of big fish because they were simply not being caught, I think that would be a better argument in support of closures.

Nice video, pics, and story.

What do you expect from a guy who calls himself CHICKEN?

Nice work Josh, WTG on the release!

Nice video Larry! No wonder you were out in the woods on Sunday... :) That wind was nasty.

I was happy to get a shot to try over the weekend. No luck.

I have seen a familiar face proudly sporting OEX shirt on Saturday though, with a nicely remodeled deck. He wasn't even riding an almighty Hobie, he was on a good ol' eXtreme. :D

I was fortunate to be able to help him release some of his trophy... ...through my digestive system. :D It was delicious.

Whazup with a freshly registered DFG rules interpretor characters? Post a cool report, catch a big fish.

I'm ok.

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwegall...lj_seabass.jpg

:sifone:

Big thanks Nate for the assist.

HELL YES YOU ARE JASMIN!:notworthy:

Chicken dinner...
 

Three types of kids go to a magic show:

The first type is the gullable kid; they love the show, they think the magic is really magic, they cheer the magician.

The second type is the kid who knows the magic isn't magic, but craft, and that kid too enjoys the show, but for what it is, entertainment. He too appluads the magician. What a showman!

The third type is the insecure kid; the one who sits in the back, muttering 'oh, that's just a trick, I can do that, I know how he does that, that lion dosen't have teeth, that bird is fake...' but is really jealous of the showman. Really wishing he had the guts and talent to do his own show, but knowing inside he has neither.

Funny, that third kind of type always goes to the magic show anyway...

Gotta love psuedo-intellegent people who propose a riddle, and then never give one. Who criticize the magician, and can't do a show of their own.

Food for thought,
Willy

Willy,

Very, very well said.:sifone:

My only question is...why post if you feel the need to photoshop the pic? I can already tell this is going to make someguys get all chapped, but it just seems a little odd. I'm sure we'll get a good explanation that will put the nay sayers to rest. Hopefully this wont stop Dark Horse from posting in the future as his posts get me fired up to get out there and fish.

Gregg Patrick Hartness

Jasmin,

How much did it weigh?

purty fish.

A picture is worth 1000 words
 

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Can you or someone explain these photos? They do appear to be “fixed” or “tampered” with. Common now didn’t we learn from the last guy?
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In our lives we try to fine a group or herd to belong to. We as humans need to feel that sense of relationship. Like the “mid-life” biker who during the week is an accountant and on the weekend a “bad ass biker” I guess we can get caught up in our “fame” of which we create!
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I don’t doubt the talent of the angler…in fact I think its way to much self created “fame”
At the end of the day we all hope to catch the big one…it’s OK if you don’t too.
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Fishing is fun and I do it to relax with my kids…go back to keeping it simple; don’t congests it with un-truth and Photoshop!

Not saying anything about anyone, but I do agree with Andy in that boating a fish over the bag limit is not good. That picture is great in that to release an over the limit fish bring it boatside,remove hook if visible or in most cases cut leader as close to mouth as possible. Once you handle an over the limit fish you are technically in violation(at least my common sense tells me that). By the way I have not seen this video,only commenting on Andy's pic. Fish on........

If you know Josh, and I have for years - way before he was DARKHORSE -
then you know that every detail always matters to him. He has a gift for
analyzing and understanding fish.

Whether it is in how a bait is presented, or, how an annoying distraction
in a great picture NEEDS to be fixed.

The irony is, most anglers that he talks to will scoff at the level of detail
he INSISTS ON when fishing, or when fixing his pictures.

It's really difficult to argue with his results, and he could just let results do
the talking.

I was lucky enough to be in the right place to watch the excitement, partly
because I'm content to smile and enjoy somebody else's magic show with grace.

And before you jump on the jealousy bandwagon about not being there guys,
realize that there were three other very experienced kayak fishermen within
talking distance, using the same exact techniques and nobody else got a strike
in many hours. So realistically, hard to describe as an "epic bite" in my opinion.

Again Larry, having an over the limit fish in your possesion is a violation for everyone.By the way I do know Josh(surprised?).

Screw the regs...Unveil the secret? I want to catch one of those WSBS!:biggrinjester:

Epic? Bandwagon?
 

Common now... epic is John Wayne or Bruce Lee! Good angler! not epic!

I call 'em as I see 'em!

Why doctor the photos? besides breaking the rules... to prove one greatness?

Iam going fishing!

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86. "Take" means hunt, pursue, catch, capture, or kill, or attempt<O:p></O:p>to hunt, pursue, catch, capture, or kill.
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Correct Dave. I am in "violation" if I "hunt" or "catch" a BSB or short calico. Technically, 56 mph is a "violation" in a 55 zone too. I'm just sayin ' y'all : )
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Love you guys! : ) See you at the show!
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You Rock Chicken ! Speak your mind! Good point! Everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is their first post. Come on people he brought up a good point.

Josh why did you continue to fish? You profess your ethics often. I think for the integrity of the board and the sport and all the people who congratulate you often you should explain why you kept fishing after you caught your limit.

I released a big one without taking it out of the water and watched it swim away, very cool indeed. If the ego comes before the welfare of the fish then it is wrong. If it is illegal to catch a fish after landing one, it is wrong. You are becoming a guide, right. Watch how you "teach" others.

Once again, if a fish caught us and held us underwater for a little bit when were pregnant, with our pregnant belly being pushed what would that do for our survival rate. Doubtful if we would make it.

Play by the rules boys. Slam me if you wish - I have a tough skin and will remain hidden behind the cloak of the computer.

Hey Blackcloud,

In an earlier post you said "(Got some reds and sculpin fishing deep plastics 120 to 160'. Didn't catch any live bait, didn't bring wsb bait. BTW Decent calicos and halibut off the beach lately, see photo album)"

Ive been in the hunt for some time now for a WSB with no luck, can you share what bait you use? (I assume Squid???) Feel free to PM

Thanks,

You guys have such a great fishery down there....

I love to fish it...as much as you do.....


Why dont you spend some of that energy spent "pissing on others parades" on something more worthwhile.....

LIKE SAVING THE FISHING GROUNDS.....

Have you taken the time to send in your letters? Put the stamps on it and gone to the post office???

Then why spend so much time "hiding behind" your pcs and pissing on others parades.....

right or not???? Not your place to decide!!!

Go Fish!!!! or Save Your Fishing Grounds!!

Or it really wont matter....will it???

my 2 cents -

Randy Janush

nice fish

Way to tap yourself on the back Slappy... :rolleyes: In this particular subject discussion, where you're sending us this strong ethical message, doing it via 2 nicks discredits it all. Cmon. Josh said he was fishing for bait when he hooked the 2nd one; he released it, and it all ended well. We don't need you, who never before had anything to say or cool stuff to share, to convince us with your 2 nicks that he was laying.

We all know the rules (or at least we should all know 'em), so does Josh. We can all judge for ourselves, so can Josh. No need for mob lynching.

I believe Josh sincerely cares about our fishery. I know in fact that he released more big game LJ fish over the years than a good number of us caught to begin with.

But when he says "thousands of WSB", I call BS! :icon_bs:
:biggrinjester:

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"Do the right thing."

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This is all that matters.....

wow!!!! i thought i was on BD for a second?? STOP YOUR WHINNING!!!! or the very few seasoned, fortunate anglers who spend most of their time fishing and still post WILL stop posting, or better yet start posting false reports and bogus techniques....ooohhh and if you don't know how he was catchng them why don't you paddle over to him and ask??? (although if you fish regularly he has given more than enough hints to figure it out) GOOD LUCK GUYS!!!

If this was anyone but Josh it wouldn't of made it a page and a half. Jealousy is a bitch. Like someone said earlier. Some sit appreciative of the catch, while others criticize because they themselves can't to it to the degree of the guy on the stage. I don't know Josh on a personal level nor do I have anything to gain by taking his side. I just think this is all a bit ridiculous.

Oh my goodness...
 

Ghost fever is contagious...and now you all have it...bad! Get out and fish already, its the only cure known! This thread has more legs than a centipede!

chicken
 

Chicken Dinner wouldn't it been a better idea to pm Josh about your thoughts than to behave like a envious person or did you think it was time to come out the closet and post?

I'm trying to figure this out, I can have 5 bass in the live well and keep fishing over my take limit, as long as i don't keep more than five. I understand BSB are protected and can't be pulled out of the water, but were does it say we can't pull a WSB out for a picture, let alone catch more than one at time if we only keep one.

It is truly sad, that the post by chicken was gone before i even had a chance to finish my reply.
And i hope no one else took the poaching claim as legit, otherwise every pro bass fisherman should be in jail.

Dave Ischy

PS, Nice fish Josh, looking forward for another chance to head out for Tuna on the yak this year, really upset i missed last year.

Nice fish Josh:notworthy:

nice fish josh, these people bashing you just wish they could catch as many fish as you release. see ya out there.

:iagree: Keep it up dude!

Hilarious Thread! How can anyone judge ethics by reading a thread. Question: If you have 2 lines out and you double hook up on WSB and you land both of them and release one, is that illeagle? That fish is doing great, I'm sure. I've seen a dozen of pictures of some nice Sheepshead that were pulled out of the water and then released when they were closed and no one hassled those people. I've known people in the past that would have gaffed that fish because they didn't know the retention.

I agree with a post earlier in this thread. Spend your energy trying to keep our fishery open. Tight Lines to all!


Moyer

To me this thread is'nt about Josh at all, except that he caught some awesome wsb recently, which to me is outstanding!The reason being is that he does'nt play armchair quarterback like some and gets out there and fishes. Basically this thread went to "when is an over the limit fish over the limit", that is at what point should an over the limit fish be released before it becomes a violation? To me this is not "ridiculous" but rather an effort on my part to understand. And also so that maybe others in a similar situation will know when and how to release.

Agree,
And being relatively new to the sport I’m confused by this. If I’m lucky enough to catch a WSB, should I fear accidentally catching another one? Should I move away from my spot change bait etc.?
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This is a great site for info on gear, technique and tackle. There are allot of really cool folks on here that have been very, very helpful especially Josh. I hope it stays that way and doesn’t turn into BloodyDecks 2.0 where you have to sift through pages of insults and shit talking to glean info. I hope it stays humble......<O:p
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I hope to have the high class problem of catching two WSBS in one day and wondering what the hell to do!

best,
Josh

I agree, it's not about any one fisherman, but about what to do and what not to do. Being new to the sport, I just want to make sure I'm not doing anything wrong, that's all. This site has been more than helpful in many aspects and I hope it continues.

I've learned from this discussion and will be careful about certain situations in the future. I've found this thread to be very valuable for raising visibility on how to follow the rules. I had never thought through some of these situations and could have easily erred on the water. Peace everyone.

I've never done any of those things you mentioned. I did catch a lingcod on a fish trap at the bottom of a sabiki rig once, lingcod were in season so I took it home and ate it. Someone responded to my post showing that I was in violation with more than two hooks on a line for lingcod. I had read the DFG regs but missed that point for lingcods. I am sorry about that violation and would never allow it to happen again. Many people learned from that post also.

I do go 80mph on a 65mph freeway often, but I don't see the relation to this issue.

(Careful, the CHP reads these boards looking for speeders.) : )


Fishionado,
I didn't learn anything here except that when people misuse the term
"violation" and "poaching" and they are simply being inflamatory, their
posts get removed. Thanks BWE for monitoring and keeping this a
worthwhile message board.


gcsasher, the difference is that both lobster examples happen to
be law violations. This isn't that .. or, maybe somene can help me.


D50, "Once you handle an over the limit fish you are technically in
violation(at least my common sense tells me that)."

I want to understand this "law" that says you have to stop fishing
completely when you have a limit of some arbitrary species, and/or
the law where it says you cannot lift a fish out of the water before
releasing. I have been fishing for 40 years and have never heard of
such a thing from any reliable source.

Please, please PM me if you have a solid, qualified answer. I posted
the text of the DFG's "Take" law above and it's ridiculously vague,
so some clarity from an attorney would be refreshing.

Obviously any intellectual stimuli or conversation resulting from my above post ends here.

What I have learned from this thread
 

If you contribute to this thread:

• Be honest<O:p</O:p
• Don’t boast<O:p</O:p
• Tell the truth<O:p</O:p
• Don’t use Photoshop<O:p</O:p
• Don’t expect everyone to praise your skills<O:p</O:p
• Expect to be held accountable<O:p</O:p
• This is a small world…someone is always watching!<O:p</O:p

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I will never get as good as all of you, and that’s OK… because I get more out of this than I could have ever imagined.<O:p</O:p

See Dave,:D I figured this out yesterday and pulled my posts. I also cleaned up some others that did not belong:sifone: