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Saying something like: BKR is a good place to fish seabass in the spring, or tanker Cs usually hang in the kelp then actively come out and feed when the water hit's 63 degrees is not the same as saying: "The fish are wide open at La Jolla go there right now!!!" I just do not post info on wide open bites, and I haven't for almost a decade. I'll be straight up... For years now I've had a group of kayakers who have and continue to claim that I post wide open bite info online, that I'm somehow going to ruin Kayak fishing by telling everyone the hot bites or spots. They tell everyone that will listen that I will tell the whole world where to go fish if I get the word it's wide open bite, and I'm guessing that chances are you might of even met some of them. It's a myth, a lie and it was largely started by one jerk who for some reason has hated my guts since day one, and who's also evidently absolutely insane. I'm guessing this will never stop, and as a result I almost never post reports online. Anywhere!!! As William Burroughs once said avoid the mentally ill. The last thing I want to give is more fuel for this lunatic's and his crazy lynch mobs fire. I also do not want them to know where I fish, when I fish, and in general I avoid the bigger well known hot bites that I know they will frequent because I don't even want to run into them on the water. I like fishing alone, I also like to find my own fish anyway, so I don't feel like I have to run to the next hot bite or deal with any resulting drama on the water. No doubt they see this as a big internet victory, like they personally "shut me up". Well it sounds good, but I never posted that much bite info anyway because like pretty much everyone else that's been around online for a long time,after more then a decade online I know there are things you can and can't post. I mean honestly if you look for my reports your not going to find that many, and none of them are about wide open bites. The last one I posted here was I think was about SBI a place that most people will never fish because it's fifty miles offshore. I may of posted one Lobster report with No Location!! info this last season, but that is about it. Read my only La Jolla Yellowtail report posted here. It was about two fish I caught on a bite that already was well known and pretty much over, and it was years ago. Most people don't remember that it was also posted the day the weather changed and the wind came up. I knew from the forecast La Jolla was blown out for a week, there was only a tiny amount of squid still there, so the bite was done. There were no crowds, they were not overfished, I think it was a few weeks before anyone even caught another Yellow or seabass in the area. So bottom line: I'm not sure why you think I post detailed information about bites online, but the truth is I don't post that kind of info and I'm not likely to do it in anytime in the near future. |
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Lets say you spent hours a day, many days a week over the course of a year playing around with ATM's. Finally one day, you found a way to have that ATM pump out free money, all you needed to do was enter a certain code. Would you share that code with everyone on the internet? What would happen? Everyone would be using your ATM now right? What would happen to all the money? You would get less, and eventually it would all be gone. You put in your time and everyone capitalizes on your labor. And if you think it has to do with said anglers being worried about other people potentially stealing their fish, you're sorely mistaken. Do you think it's coincidence that it's always the same people catching fish, regardless of how many people are out? Do you find it odd that 40 kayaks could be sitting on the squid ground but the same guys who catch fish, catch fish and that Josh and Kevins clients almost always go home with a full bag while the other 36 people go home empty handed? They were in the same spot, using the same bait...so what's the difference right? Luck maybe? Good Karma maybe? Or did they spent YEARS AND YEARS perfecting methods that others aren't even close to scratching the surface on. The anglers that you're referring to, the ones who don't post detailed reports aren't intimidated by massive numbers of fisherman ruining their odds. They/We will catch fish regardless of who is out there. Did you ever think about the impact it has on the fishery? The long term consequences? With the MLPA already breathing down out neck, lets just hand them more reasons to close more areas off. If 1,000 people see there is a good bite going on, and they tell two people, and then those people tell two people...well, you do the math. If every person who caught a trophy posted up where, when, how, why... sure they odds would swing in favor of the anglers, not like it already isn't...but now you're talking about 500% more lines in the water. This sport is growing EXPONENTIALLY, I fear for what the next 10 years has to bring. Soon you'll be able to walk from kayak to kayak when the word of a bite gets out. Sorry to sound like a dick, but it's a reality. If you want to know what the water temp is...get in your kayak. If you want to know what the fish are feeding on...catch one and cut it's stomach open. If you want to know what time of the day they are biting...fish sunrise to sunset When you catch on, it will all start to make more sense to you. It took me and some other people a while to catch on. Your post isn't going to make any of us say "Hey you know what, you're right. Next time I catch a fish, I'll be sure to give away every bit of information I know" |
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.... and I'd say you are once again misinformed. Information posts on how to rig, fish specific tackle, use your finder etc... are great and I personally love helping people giving them things they can try and showing new ways to do things. Occasionally I'll be at a tackle store and someone will come up, say my name then say something like I really love your dropper loop rig you posted and have caught a ton of fish with it. I met guy at MDR that caught a 40+ pound halibut using a slow trolling rig I came up with and when he told me it made my day. That's what information posting and internet sharing is about, but it's not the same as posting a fish report. Fish reports have one purpose in my book. It's simply to say there are fish around, get out there and find some fish. You may think that's not enough but you got to remember that online posting is not the same as talking to your best buddy. It's not a private message or note. It's like a frigging billboard on the freeway. Everything you post here will be seen by hundreds of people, and bite information can end up on dozens of places online after a single post, so you need to realize that what you post can have a huge unintended impacts and honestly there are things you can and can not post. Take hoop netting for instance. Say you come here and say hey I went to X rocks at these numbers and got a limit in two hours at slack tide. Sounds harmless right. Say a hundred people see that, say ten of them go the next night and clean up, and then say they post thier catches on thier favorite boards. Next thing you know thousands of people will know about your spot, and it will be full of hoop-netters and divers every time you go out. Rocks aren't fish. Rocks don't move!! Everyone who goes to that spot and get's a bug is going to mark it on their GPS and if they do well there they will tell others and eventually when you go to hoop it there will be dozens if not a hundred guys trying to hoop it. I've seen this first hand at several locations. So I know better then to post hoop locations. I'll post about how to rig or build nets, what floats I like even the best baits, tides and how often to pull your nets but I will not post where I hoop it's just something you should never put online, and I'm not going to show anyone where to hoop until I know they know that as well. Seabass are equally problematic. They school up and can go incredibly wide open, which also means they can be dramatically overfished. Back in like 2001 one boat saw squid on the surface in front of Rocky Point and then caught a big seabass over fifty pounds, and posted about it. The next day I was there and got a forty pounder in the fog. Around noon it cleared and there were maybe 30 boats around us, a bunch more posts went up, the next day there were a hundred and fifty boats by the end of the week at least 200 a day. Everyone got fish, I caught one every day I fished it. I posted several of them online, but in the end thousands of fish were caught, everyone with a crappy boat was out there, and it turned into total carnage. We shared the info online with the best intentions and it turned into a slaughter, we fished them out, and I've never seen another seabass in that spot since then. I've fished some epic bites since, but honestly I have not posted a single post about a wide open seabass bite since then. Once was enough for me. I've put up a few posts about solo fish, usually early in the season before they start spawning, when they are hard to get, but that's it. If you want to share some general report info, that's cool, great love it, but the details you want should not be posted online, especially for major bites. I think the more experience you get the more you will realize that. You just can't share all the details: location info, time, and other details about hot bites online. It always turns into a problem. Just my take though, Jim |
Ok, ok, I'll give him the info he wants. There are :yt: in LJ every month, every year, and the have been posts about them. What more do you need to know?:eek:
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How about someone post info on a where the hot bites are and we'll see what that place looks like this weekend.
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Fishdope $169 a year
Will tell you everything you need to know, then you dont have to deal with the jerks around here especially me, and you dont have to worry about people not posting up reports to your liking. |
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Likely the best and post I've read from you Jim...well stated,right on bro!:D |
I prefer to find good fishing spots from being on the water, talking to other kayakers, dropping by the local tackle shop, etc.. than on the fishing report forums.
As for this thread, I see good in both arguments. Hot bites/spots shouldn't be posted on the net, to protect the fisheries. Reports should at least contain some info.. general location on the earth, type of bait and method used, general conditions. These are things everyone would consider relevant information, without giving specifics. There are some that drive many miles to fish and I'm sure they would appreciate at least some info on current conditions. Without info the posts are just a picture followed by a dozen chest-bumps and butt-slaps. I do agree there should be another forum just for showing off your catch. |
we have bragging boards, its the 30, 40 and 50lb club.
a good report gives 8 digit coordinates and pics of fish, launch condition and bikini wearing women. or just the fish and women in bikinis. |
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This is what's happening among the fishing community...accuse a guy of being helpful to others and he gets offended...sad. Jim, you may need to read my post again. I didn't say anything about you giving specific information related to "hot bites" or wide open bites. I said: "Also, with regard to sharing hot spots. Have you noticed that some of the best fishermen...Iceman (Andy) and (Fiskadoro) Jim Day to name a couple generally have no problem sharing detailed information...ironic?" I'm not trying to throw you under the bus but I've read your posts on another site where you gave some pretty good information on how and where to fish Catalina. I've used your information and have done well at the island with it...Thanks for that. It's nothing to be ashamed of. |
Even if people post the most detailed report, it wont help you catch any fish and that's exactly why this thread exists....because you're not catching fish on your own.
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but this is true. knowing yesterdays bite wont help you today. and more times than not, "yesterdays" bite is really last weeks, or last months bite. i cant tell you how many times i went after yesterdays bite and came back skunked... shoot i remember a morning chasing Drakes "20 minutes ago bite" and striking out. as he pedled home with 3 on the PA before the sun could shed light on the west side of point loma. |
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Your ATM metaphor isn't really that accurate as it relates to my original post. As I've already said you shouldn't give coordinates / ATM codes and I'm not saying anyone should be required to post a fish report but if you're going to post in a forum titled Fishing Reports why shouldn't you include the standard information that 99% of fish reports would include. If it doesn't include said info how can it be considered a report? It's nothing more than a hey look at me photo. Why is it such a tall order to expect a report to read something like this: (previously posted) "6/19 - I caught this 32# yellow in 63' of water about 400yds NW of the big boiler rock at about 7:30am on a sardine 3oz dropper loop, 65# braid and a 20# 4' mono leader." I just don't get it. |
a fishing report can be anything and everything. from "skunk" to "here's a pic of a massive fish that i caught and i wont tell you anything else"
if EVERY report had.. 1. fish caught 2. hook, line, weight, lure, bait used 3. specific location caught 4. depth caught then.. poachers would hit a gold mine. and our honey holes would come up dry very fast. best way to get great intel and a great detailed report: you make friends. if you share info with someone to help them hook up... they owe you a favor when they find a hot bite. |
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57 reasons to just quietly fish on my own and never post a "report"
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Even if you don't give away the ATM codes, but someone finds out theres an ATM giving away free money...people will still try to figure out how... Here, I'm going to throw you a bone. This is a picture from monday night at 7pm. Everything you could ask for is right in front of you... will this help you catch a fish? Do you even know what you are looking at? Depth, temp, and coordinates are right there for you. Take this info and see if it helps. Looking forward to your detailed fish report now that I've given you everything you're asking for. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps45f7b2d2.jpg |
57 reasons. now im just bumping my post count.
BTW Drake can you clean your screen next time you take a pic the salt makes it hard to tell if thats a 3 or a 8 :D |
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La Jolla that should get 1000 more views |
Yeah ol buskid went fishing at least twice that i know of....
Drakehorse Havent you learned anything from this informative thread, picture of the fish, type of gear, bait used wind direction...otherwise your post is completely useless You just dont get it do you;) |
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Thanks for the bone...but no thanks...funny thing is, I don't even fish La Jolla. If I drive that far south I take the boat and head to the Coronado's. |
Enough of this CRAP...
All this started from someone who, in the past, has asked "how about very specific directions" (coordinates), who took a picture of my friends recently departed father-in-law and used it for his own avatar, and never post his own fish "reports". He just DOESN'T GET IT! |
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Hmmm....candy's house...even better. Haha...that's too funny. Yep, that's me in the box at the Malibu parking lot sale a few years back...and yes, I was trying to buy my way to the front of the line...haha. |
A fish report with nothing except for a fish being caught is plenty enough of a report for me! It doesn't matter where it was caught or what depth. As far as I'm concerned if someone caught a fish off our coast(socal) they're probably biting everywhere or will be soon! But as a rookie with no exotics off the kayak (yet), the tackle that was used is the most helpfull!
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Giving information on fishing Catalina Island or Santa Barbara Island is different then posting a local La Jolla report. Especially on this board where so few have access to that fishery. That channel keeps a lot of people away from the island and posting info about fishing there is not the same is posting inshore information about bite closer to local harbors. As to what I've posted about Catalina on BWE. Well the truth is very few kayakers fish Catalina, not enough in my honest opinion, and I want more guys to try it. It's a great place to fish and you guys are missing out. Most people that do take their boats across the channel usually stay in their boats, but it's a hell of a place to fish from a yak. In general the detailed areas I talk about at Catalina are for the most part are very hard to fish from a skiff and could only be fished well from a kayak. There are areas like some of the little beaches that would be great areas to fish from a yak, that get almost zero pressure be cause you can't really hit them right from a skiff or big boat. Also with Catalina conditions are in constant flux and the fish always on the move so giving people info about spots on the island is not as big a deal because there is so much area to fish and for the most part very few people fishing it. There are literally thousands of La Jolla like spots at the island. It's twenty miles long with a ton of good areas to fish both front and back. Unless you are fishing with the fleet on some "hot bite" that someone posted on BD or another site, your usually pretty much fishing alone, so if you find a red hot bite you're miles away from an port or location where hundreds of boats could come out at a moment notice. It's just not like La Jolla or Rocky Point where the whole fleet is only ten minutes away, or where one careless post could mobilize thousands of people. For the most part the same rules apply though. If you post hoop locations at Catalina they will get overrun by divers and hoop netters, and over time the spot will get over fished and go down the tubes. Posting Seabass bites there might not have the same immediate impact of posting a inshore bite, but if the bite lasts long enough posting info about it online can lead to the same kind of crowds and overfishing. My general rule of thumb is if everyone is fishing one location at Catalina due to some internet post I take note of those conditions, and then find another area at the island where the same conditions exist but I do not have to fish in a crowd. It's a big island plenty of places to fish. It's really tempting when your new to want to just follow the crowd. My take is you need to learn first how to find and catch your own fish, then you won't need the crowd or even want to fish with them. Sometimes it is tempting to run to the hot spot that everyone's fishing but that truth is if they are all fishing that one spot there are probably other areas holding fish, maybe with even better bites, and probably a lot less hassle. |
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I think it should include hooking the fish and handing off to you :rolleyes: A fishing report is in friday's sports section of the paper. A fishing report is going down to the landings when the boats arrive at the end of the day and seeing everyone's catch. A fishing report is what happened yesterday. The ocean can change in a 1/2 hr. Just get on the water. Like my dad always said "if you don't have a line in your not going to catch a fish". |
So whats better a Outback, Revo or a PA.12 or 14 :the_finger:
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CONGRATZ YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLED
I just wanted to thank anyone who has contributed to this thread including myself.
We have been trolled... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dI6mPDCqEo <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5dI6mPDCqEo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5dI6mPDCqEo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps579578cc.jpg |
Now I'm pissed at Andy/Iceman...(even though I've never met the man :notworthy:). He didn't pass me the dope on the tanker he caught recently. :the_finger:
This post is like taking a fish home, cutting it up and finding it's full of worms...just throw it out. |
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That is a good one frank! I'm laughing my ass off!!!! <EMBED height=315 type=application/x-shockwave-flash width=560 src=http://www.youtube.com/v/5dI6mPDCqEo?version=3&hl=en_GB&rel=0 allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always"></EMBED> |
And the "troll" lives on.
So predictable you guys are....someone will always cry troll at the end of a dead end thread for three possible reasons. 1. - An attempt to bring closure 2. - An easy opportunity to increase post count 3. - To revive said thread to keep it alive and well Not sure what your motive was? Remember, this started out simple and was made complex and trivial for the sake of argument by the real trolls. I knew full well that some would feel personally attacked...probably because they know they post boot-leg "reports". The standard for what a real fishing report should include was set long before I started this thread, we have all read them for years. Pretend to act like you don't understand that all you want...that's what makes internet forums so fun and entertaining. Think about it, this would be no fun if you listened to reason? I mean, to me, the obvious reply to my original post should read something like this: 'Yeah, you're probably right. If you're gonna post a fish report in a fishing reports forum it should atleast follow the standard guidelines of what makes a report a report. Otherwise just post your cool guy photo in another forum.' End of story...case closed....but that's way to boring and we have to make the site sponsors happy....Thanks for playing guys! For you simpletons. (taken from dictionary.com) re·port [ri-pawrt, -pohrt] Show IPA noun 1. - an account or statement describing in detail an event, situation, or the like, usually as the result of observation, inquiry, etc.: a report on the peace conference; a medical report on the patient. Kinda hard to argue that one huh? (p.s. - this is quickly turning into the exact kind of drama I tell my teenage daughter to avoid on the internet...kinda ironic..haha) |
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